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Skriven 2007-01-04 09:36:17 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
     Kommentar till en text av bob klahn
Ärende: The Truth    part 2 of 2
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04 Jan 07 00:51, bob klahn wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>>>> Wrong. Jesus was the rock. Rock is referred to as God in
 RW>>>> all the rest of the bible. Only once was it mentioned
 RW>>>> before Peter and Jesus no doubt pointed to himself when he
 RW>>>> said that he'd build his church on the rock (pointing at
 RW>>>> himself)...Simon was re-named Peter in that verse and
 RW>>>> nothing more.

 bk>>>  Oh, much more. You are so arrogant. Simon was not only called
 bk>>>  the rock he was renamed "Rock". You should know the name "Peter"
 bk>>>  means "rock". That is why Peter was given that name.

 RW>> You're so full of shit, you can't even get that right.

 bk>  Look it up fool. Every heard of "petroglyths"? Symbolys,
 bk>  (glyths) carved into rock. (Petro)

 bk>  It's greek. Ask a Greek.

Ahhh, you speak Greek...I already knew you were full of shit, so no need
to look it up.

 RW>>>>>> was persequted by the Romans. Besides, why would Jesus
 RW>>>>>> found a church on a person who denied him three times in

 bk>>>>>  Because he chose to.

 RW>>>> He chose himself, not Simon.

 bk>>>  No, he plainly chose Simon.

 RW>> Wrong. It doesn't say, "I Jesus choose Peter to found my
 RW>> church" ... what was said is all very vague and even if the

 bk>  And not one word to even suggest Jesus was pointing at himself.

 RW>> original was translated correctly, it more than likely
 RW>> wouldn't have said that Peter/Simon is a rock, when the
 RW>> entire bible, before and after Matthew, refers to God as
 RW>> the rock.

 bk>  Whatever you think makes sense, Petros is the original Greek,
 bk>  and means rock. Peter is the anglicized version of Petros, which
 bk>  means Rock in Greek. Pieter is the dutch version. Pierre is the
 bk>  French version.

 bk>>> BTW, when you say Jesus pointed to himself, you are adding that
 bk>>> which is not in the bible.

 RW>> And when you say that Jesus called Simon/Peter a rock, that
 RW>> is not in the bible either.

 bk>  It is right there in black and white.

 bk>>> Remember what Revelations says about that.

 RW>> Better read that line again. It is referring to the 'book'
 RW>> of Revelations. i.e. the book of Revelations is written as
 RW>> prophecy as seen through the eyes of John, the author.

 bk>  It says what it says. Show where it is referring to anything
 bk>  else. Take it anyway you want, you are making up additions that
 bk>  do not appear there.

 RW>> Adding to or taking away from the book of Revelation would
 RW>> be what it's talking about. But if you want to play games

 bk>  And you are adding to that also. No where does Revelations call
 bk>  the Catholic church the Whore of Babylon, nor say anything that
 bk>  can identify it that way.

 RW>> with that phrase, the Catholic church has added to the
 RW>> bible by adding chapters that aren't part of the original
 RW>> scriptures.

 bk>  How would you know? Which chapters? The bible I am using is the
 bk>  King James, as it's the one I have on the hard drive.

 bk>>>>> After all, Jesus predicted Peter would deny him.

 RW>>>> Knowing that he was an unstable man and wouldn't make a
 RW>>>> very good person to trust to establish a church.

 bk>>>  No one is a very good person to trust to establish a church, in
 bk>>>  and of himself.

 RW>> Jesus was...

 bk>  But he didn't stick around much after that.

 bk>>> He had to be changed by God.

 RW>> Jesus was...

 bk>  Jesus was God. God was changed by God? Why?

 bk>>> Just as Moses was not fit to lead the Israelites out of bondage,
 bk>>> until he was made humble by God. God has a habit of chosing those
 bk>>> you don't expect, and changing them to his needs.

 RW>> Jesue was...

 bk>  God changed himself to meet his needs? Ok.

 bk>>>  He was not speaking of himself when he said this, but Simon
 bk>>>  Barjona.

 RW>> Wrong...

 bk>  Not one word you said has a single bit of evidence to back it
 bk>  up.

 bk>>>  016:016 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ,
 bk>>>  the Son of the living God.

 bk>>>  016:017 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou,
 bk>>>  Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto
 bk>>>  thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 RW>> Uh huh...speaking about the 'light' God had given
 RW>> Simon/Peter.

 bk>  Yes, exactly.

 bk>>>  016:018 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter,

 RW>> Should be a period here, rather than a comma...

 bk>  Now you rewrite the bible?

 bk>>> and upon this rock,

 RW>> Me, myself and

 bk>  Petros...Peter.

 bk>>>  I will build my church;

 bk>>> and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 RW>> But he predicted that wrong, as the gates of hell are
 RW>> within the Catholic church.

 bk>  More like in your faith, which you fear to identify.

 bk>>>  016:019 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of
 bk>>>  heaven:

 RW>> After he croaks.

 bk>  Meaningless non-sequitor.


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