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Kommentar till en text av bob klahn
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28 Jan 07 02:38, bob klahn wrote to Roy Witt:
RW>> 27 Jan 07 00:39, bob klahn wrote to Roy Witt:
RW>>>>>>>> No, he was just a respectable white person living in a
RW>>>>>>>> respectable community and had seen the devestation of the
RW>>>>>>>> riotous black communities in Watts, southeast LA and east
RW>>>>>>>> San Diego.
bk>>>>>>> A: You said a "cajun".
RW>>>>>> Actually, I told him 'high yellar'...
bk>>>>> That's not what you said before, and it still leaves him a
bk>>>>> bigot.
RW>>>> Only in your eyes, which neither one of us would even have
RW>>>> taken into consideration.
bk>>> IOW neither of you would take the truth into consideration.
RW>> Not if it came from the lips of a known liar.
bk> Ok, so you would not believe yourself. I can understand that.
That would be impossible, as I don't tell lies. I had you in mind when I
said I wouldn't believe it if it came from the lips of a liar.
bk>>>>>>> B: You are implying that people who can afford to live in your
bk>>>>>>> neighborhood are only acceptable if they are white.
RW>>>>>> At the time, there wasn't. A census of that neighborhood
RW>>>>>> would shown that to be true.
bk>>>>> There wasn't what?
RW>>>> What you said...
bk>>> No, you actually did not make any sense.
RW>> Actually, if you read what you said and my reply to it, it
RW>> makes perfect sense.
bk> Ok, you are saying there were no white people acceptable to live
bk> in your neighborhood.
bk>>>>>>> C: Your comment, and his reaction, imply all non-white people
bk>>>>>>> can be judged as a group, they are all the same.
RW>>>>>> Or consideered the worst of the lot, depending on who was
RW>>>>>> being commented upon.
bk>>>>> You never specified a particular person, or that he knew any
bk>>>>> person who might be the subject.
RW>>>> Who didn't?
bk>>> You.
RW>> The subject between my neighbor and myself was about a high
RW>> yellar buying my house.
bk> You never specified a particular person. You are not talking to
bk> your neighbor now...thank God.
bk>>>>>>> D: Your comment implies that white people are reliably law
bk>>>>>>> abiding and decent.
RW>>>>>> And the stats back that up. More blacks are in jail because
RW>>>>>> of crimes against blacks than whites or browns put
RW>>>>>> together, although the browns are gaining.
bk>>>>> About 25% of crimes of violence are committed by Blacks.
RW>>>> From the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
RW>>>> "Based on current rates of first incarceration, an
RW>>>> estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal
RW>>>> prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic
RW>>>> males and 5.9% of white males."
bk>>> Which is not responsive to any of the above. As I said above,
bk>>> about 25% of crimes of violence are committed by blacks.
RW>> What you said is incorrect. The stats don't back you up.
bk> The stats from the Dept of Justice report, Criminal
bk> Victimization in the United States certainly do.
bk>
bk> *********************************************************************
bk> *****
bk> Bureau of Justice Statistics
bk> filename: cv0240.wk1
bk> data source: National Criminal Victimization Survey, 2002 NCJ
bk> 200561
bk> produced by: Cathy Maston
bk> authors: Patsy Klaus and Cathy Maston
bk> refer questions to: askbjs@ojp.usdoj.gov 202-307-0765
bk> date of version: 08/31/03
bk> Table 40. Personal crimes of violence, 2002: Percent
bk> distribution of single-offender victimizations, by type of crime
bk> and perceived race of offender.
bk> Percent of single-offender victimizations
bk> Perceived race of offender
bk> Number of Total White Black Other Not known and
bk> Crimes not available
bk> 4,158,290 100 % 63.3 % 22.8 % 13.0 % 0.9 %
bk> ...
bk>
bk> *********************************************************************
bk> *****
bk>>> About 65% by whites. Yet the percentage of arrests of blacks is
bk>>> higher than the rate at which they commit crimes, and the
bk>>> percentage of those in prison who are black is higher than those
bk>>> who are white, even though most crimes are committed by whites.
bk>>>>> About 35% of those arrested are black, and a bit over 50% of
bk>>>>> those in prison are black. Since the percentage in prison is
bk>>>>> twice that
bk>>>>> of the percentage of crimes committed, that alone implies
bk>>>>> racism.
RW>>>> LOL! That only indicates a propensity for blacks to commit
RW>>>> crime, as the above quote indicates. If racism enters into
bk>>> If 25% of crimes are committed by blacks and 65% by whites, the
bk>>> percentage in prison should track the percentage of crimes.
RW>> That is true. And the stats show it as such. Yur stats are
RW>> incorrect, as most crime is committed by blacks and not
RW>> whites.
bk> Well, you really went off the deep end on that one. As you can
bk> see above, the percentage of crimes committed by whites is about
bk> 3 times the percentage committed by blacks.
bk> Your own stats show about 32% of those arrested are black, which is
bk> about 1/3rd of crimes. IOW, your own stats show you wrong.
bk>>> Since is drastically higher, the reasonable conclusion is
bk>>> discrimination.
RW>> 50% of violent crime is committed by blacks against whites.
bk> Since it is well demonstrated that the great majority of crime
bk> is same race crime, that claim is truly stupid.
RW>> That's what is known as discrimination. That isn't lost on
RW>> whites who are very aware that there is more discrimination
RW>> by blacks against whites than vice versa.
bk> Oh? And just how does the chance of your being a victim of crime
bk> committed by a black person compare with a black person's
bk> chances of being the victim of a crime by a white person?
bk> And how does that fit in with your cry of racism?
bk> Oh, offer me a wager with your response, I'd like to make some
bk> money off you.
RW>>>> the picture, it's racism on the part of blacks and nobody
RW>>>> else's.
bk>>> How you draw that conclusion would be incomprehensible, unless
bk>>> seen as prejudice on your part. Then it becomes clear.
RW>> It would depend on one's circumstances in life. I'm not in
RW>> the position that you're in having to defend your actions
RW>> in relationship to blacks.
bk> I don't find seeking the truth requires defense.
bk> Or are you referring to having black friends and relatives?
bk> Remember the old saying, once you try black you'll never go
bk> back.
RW>> I can take them or leave them at
RW>> any given day or hour, you have to live with them every day
RW>> and every hour.
RW>>>> Better go check your stats...here's a good place to start;
RW>>>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
bk>>> I checked those stats long before you thought to mention them.
bk>>> Which is why I know your conclusions are based on prejudice, as
bk>>> you refuse to even consider the stats that don't agree with you.
RW>> If there were any there that disagreed with what I've said
RW>> here. There isnt'.
bk> As I have shown, table cv0240 of the Dept of Justice report,
bk> "Criminal Victimization in the United States" says you are
bk> wrong.
bk>>>>> And if you check further the crime rate tracks the poverty rate
bk>>>>> pretty well.
RW>>>> Nobody was talking about poverty, but for the record, IMO
bk>>> I just did, pay attention.
RW>> It's irrelavant, as I've already stated.
bk> You are not the authority on that.
RW>>>> that's no excuse to be a criminal...if they got off the
bk>>> Excuses are for judges and clergy. Troubleshooters look at
bk>>> reasons.
RW>> Lazyiness is a good reason not to look for an honest living.
bk> Which has zero to do with what I said. And laziness is a much
bk> underrated virtue. Laziness is the prime mover in innovation and
bk> efficiency, as the best innovations are intended to make life
bk> easier. And efficiency is achieved by being lazy enough to do
bk> things right the first time.
RW>>>> street corner and looked, they could find something honest
RW>>>> to do to sustain themselves.
bk>>> If they could they would. It's actually much easier than crime,
bk>>> if you can find a reasonable job.
RW>> That doesn't make sense when the unemployment rate is as
RW>> low as it is.
bk> Ah, the usual low unemployment rate Bull shit. I'll have to
bk> repost my previous analysis of that. Found it. Posted it to you.
bk>>>>> The first stat from the DOJ pub "Criminal victimization in the
bk>>>>> united states." The others from the Statistical Abstract of the
bk>>>>> US.
RW>>>> Browse the government's statistics on crime at the link I
RW>>>> provided above.
bk>>> Do you have any idea what the DOJ is? The Statistical Abstract?
bk>>> I have had them bookmarked for years.
RW>> That doesn't mean you know what they mean.
bk> It means you haven't done much research.
RW>>>>>>>> But you go ahead and think of him as a bigot, I'm sure he
RW>>>>>>>> won't care.
bk>>>>>>> He could be one of those bigots who are proud of the fact.
RW>>>>>> He would be a person who doesn't care what you think. As am
RW>>>>>> I.
bk>>>>> Ah, both of you proud of your prejudice? I see.
RW>>>> Read it again for comprehension. Your opinion of us isn't
RW>>>> of any concern to either of us. However, you should be
bk>>> Yes, you are proud of your prejudice.
RW>> So you're saying that you're a nigger and I'm prejudiced
bk> Your use of that word is evidence you are a bigot.
RW>> against you? I am prejudiced towards your prejudicial
RW>> implications and you're definately prejudiced towards
RW>> anyone else who disagrees with you.
bk> Only those of you who are blatant racists.
RW>>>> concerned about what we think the abnormality of you and
RW>>>> your situation.
bk>>> The concern of bigots is not of concern to me. Or was that a
bk>>> threat?
RW>> When you lie with dogs, you will become the host of fleas
RW>> ... as a host of fleas, you will be banned to the doghouse
RW>> and will not be allowed to enter the masters house.
bk> Now you think you are the master? Your bigotry runs wild.
bk> BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
bk> ... Race is an idea whose time has passed. <New People Magazine>
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