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Skriven 2007-04-06 18:09:00 av bob klahn
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt
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 bk>>>>  As an elected official there is very little required, mostly
 bk>>>>  he sets his own schedual.

 RW>>> That's cool. I wouldn't want him to have to adhere to a
 RW>>> schedule.

 bk>>  Good, cause he doesn't have to.

 RW> Ever heard of the word, facetious?

 RW> Keep it in mind while you read that one again.

 I took it that way the first time.

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 RW>>> He was working days, even weekend days.

 bk>>  He can take a break whenever he wants to.

 RW> Sure, he can take one anytime he wishes, but ethically, he
 RW> wouldn't "have sexual relations with that woman, Monica
 RW> Lewinski."

 True. BTW, I would have fired him also, if I ran the place.
 However, he wasn't accused of consensual sex. Like I have said
 many times, he did a lot wrong, but not what he was accused of.

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 RW>>> I don't have a problem with an elected official fucking his
 RW>>> own wife on my time or theirs. I do have a problem with an
 RW>>> elected official fucking someone other than his spouse, on
 RW>>> or off my time, but especially on my time.

 bk>>  If that's your problem, then your comment about him being on the
 bk>>  your time 100% of the time is a fraud.

 RW> The only fraud is what you're attempting to make of it.

 Nope. What he does on his time is not your business. I object to
 him doing it with the help. But that's an administrative
 objection, not a legal one.

 bk>> Either way, it's not your business.

 RW> He's a public servant, a public employee, that makes it my
 RW> business.

 Nope. Only that he's doing it with the help.

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 bk>>  It's the same pretty much everywhere. Ok, worse in a lot of
 bk>>  other places.

 RW> Oh, so it's worse than I thought.

 Probably.

 bk>>>>>> Most I've ever seen is a supervisor transferred.

 RW>>>>> They were lucky.

 bk>>>>  No, they were typical.

 RW>>> In Ohio.

 bk>>  It's an international company.

 RW> Apparently with locally low moraled Ohio employees.

 The management was mostly from outside the state. They moved
 them around.

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 RW>>>>> fraternizing with a gal in the accounting office and he was
 RW>>>>> about to let me go.

 bk>>>>  Unless you were management, or doing it on company time, he was
 bk>>>>  full of it.

 RW>>> I was a supervisor. She worked in a different department.

 bk>>  You were a supervisor. What departement she worked in doesn't
 bk>>  matter.

 RW> That's right. I merely meant to show that I had no
 RW> influence over her in her employment, she had her own
 RW> supervisor.

 Doesn't matter. You were management. She was hourly.

 RW>>> In case you haven't figured it out yet, an employer or your
 RW>>> immediate superior can fire you for no reason. They may

 bk>>  If you are managment. Or a non-union company, maybe.

 RW> Union would imply that I'm not in management. Unions are

 True. However, if you were hourly in a non-union company you
 have little protection.

 RW> more specfically for the blue collar worker who has no
 RW> skills and needs to have someone reasure them that they'll
 RW> be over-paid for as long as the union can extract blood
 RW> money from the company.

 Since that doesn't happen in legitimate businesses, no problem.
 With our over paid CEOs the real problem is on the other end.
 Ever look at how many high skilled and professionals going
 union, or trying? Unions only exist because of bad management.
 Both competence and integrity wise.

 bk>> If he falsely accused you then you could sue him.

 RW> But if I did that, I would be admitting that I'm just like
 RW> you.

 You mean like standing up for your rights? Way to go!

 RW>>> have to give you a legitimate reason, but they can fire you
 RW>>> just because they don't like you.

 bk>>  That's the advantage to a union company, to the owners as well
 bk>>  as the workers. A manager has to have a reason to fire someone.
 bk>>  The owner doesn't benefit if the manager fires someone just
 bk>>  because he doesn't like him.

 RW> All a manager has to do to get around those union buttheads
 RW> is 'make a case' to fire someone. It takes just a bit of
 RW> patience, but it's easily done.

 Only if you are competent enough to do it. Most managment is
 not. That's the only real advantage the union has. When I
 started on this job the vice president of the union advised me,
 "If they want to get you they will." Only thing is, he didn't
 allow for management incompetence.

 RW>>>>> The real reason was that I was fraternizing with his best
 RW>>>>> friend's fiancee.  Not that my firing would have changed
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 bk>>>>  The new employer was the one who got taken.

 RW>>> Nahhh, he wasn't a woman.

 bk>>  But with the low moral standards, judged by your own standards
 bk>>  above, he got taken.

 RW> LOL! His morals were lower than yours. He manufactured
 RW> methamphetamines on the premises. Come to find out, he

 Yep. That's much lower than mine, as I have nothing to do with
 any sort of illegal drugs. And you worked there? I wouldn't work
 in a place where they did that. I'd drop a dime on him.

 RW> belonged to a cartel that manufactured that stuff all up
 RW> and down the state of CA and Nevada.

 RW> Rather than go to jail when he eventually got caught, he
 RW> turned states evidence and testified for the prosecution.

 RW> Of course, that spelled the end for him, even though they
 RW> put him in a witness protection program. His downfall was
 RW> that he couldn't stay gone.

 That is how it usually fails when it does. Actually, always.

 RW> They found him stabbed to death in a VW two days after he
 RW> boldly moved back into his home.

 And the whole community mourned... right?

  See "facetious" above.

 bk>>>> You musta had low standards for women.

 RW>>> At the time, they were kinda like yours are now I suppose.

 bk>>  My standards have always been high. I would never have found a
 bk>>  woman who cheats on her committment acceptable.

 RW> I believe the 'I would never have found a woman' part.

 I've found a number of them, married the very high class ones.

 bk>> She cheats on him she'll cheat on you.

 RW> That's why they're called four Fs...

 A term I haven't seen used since the draft was abandoned.

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 bk>>>>>>  He couldn't do it during normal business hours, no where to
 bk>>>>>>  hide. And no time. It was late or weekends.

 RW>>>>> BS...it was in a private office, during workdays.

 bk>>>>  Weekends are workdays if an elected official decides they are.

 RW>>> So you just admitted that he was doing her on a
 RW>>> workday...thanks for agreeing.

 bk>>  There's no rule against doing it on a workday,

 RW> There is, if it's on company time. In this case, on my time.

 Not if he takes a break. OTOH, maybe he did it in the library.

 Which refers to a bar in a suburb of Chicago called the Lie
 Brary.

 bk>>  for any employee. Either after work or during break time.

 RW> That's fine by me. The problem was, they didn't wait that
 RW> long.

 Yeah, they did. On an ordinary work day he is schedualed to the
 ears. Plus assistants always coming in. He needed a day when
 there were few others in the offices. Think it through. Or read
 the Starr report.



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