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Skriven 2005-04-10 14:33:51 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
   Kommentar till text 9814 av Roy Witt (1:10/22)
Ärende: Re: NIMBY
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*** Quoting Roy Witt from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 RW>> With at least 1/16th Indian blood, you qualify for benefits. Check
 RW>> wit the tribe your blood related to.

 CS> Really?  I didnt know that!  Be hard to prove it though.  One of
 CS> those situations ;-)

RW> Nobody kept records...right?

Well they did, but these records are not perfect.  They were busy tracking the
rich older son, not the poorer relations I came from.  Lots of money in the
family, just not my side of it :-(

Phillips Steel ring a bell?  Mom was a Phillips.  Just not close enough related
for us to have the money although as a kid, she was rich enough.

 CS> very much which is strange as they were fairly blue-bloods over all
 CS> in the American naming of such.  Her name seems to have been Lisa
 CS> Anne Running-tree which doesnt sound very Cherokee at all, nor do I
 CS> know what a 'Running-tree' is....

RW> Maybe she was a logger and her job was running on the tree (log) while
RW> it floated in the lake or river. That's what herding trees down stream
RW> is called; Running Trees.

Doubt it was her doing that ;-)  Maybe her family did something like that?  But
I dont know that Indians did much 'logging' per-see.

 CS> from something like 'Lissaloukeea' and was touted to the family as
 CS> an Indian Princess but that was probably bogus.

RW> Yeah, every indian squaw was a princess. (Only in the movies) :o)

True!  I discount that one like everyone else, but it was a giggle to hear as a
kid.

 CS> 'Coopers wife' in any letters.  BTW, James Fenimore Cooper isnt the
 CS> same Cooper but he is an ancestor of mine though of a side line to
 CS> me.  5 times up the tree uncle or something.

RW> I have one of those too. Winchester is an old family name on my mother
RW> side. I doubt that they were related to the Winchester of firearms
RW> fame, however their American history goes back to before the
RW> revolutionary war. The Witts only arriving here in the 1840s.

Mixed here.  Dad was born just an hour after Grandma crossed Ellis Island,
german.  Family name was Von Papen, but they 'Americanized' to Pape to avoid
association with an infamous uncle who was high with the Kaiser (and later not
so high but was with Hitler).  Pape is a very common name, like 'Smith' or
'Jones' but in Germany along the French border.  There's even a region called
the Pape region I think.  They make red wine too.  Chateau du Pape.

5th Avenue NY?  Used to belong to a relative who had a farm there.  Mom's got
records of the deed still.  He sold out long before the city spread that way.n
Lots of ancestors here before the revolutionary war (we seemed to have mostly
been in favor of the war) and by the Civil war, we spanned the border and
there are some very sad (and true) tales about brothers literally being split
on it.

Most lived in Virginia or north of it.  Several were abolishonists and a few
were slave owners though family tradition says they always freed them upon
their own death and never held the kids as slaves (somewhat common for that
decade or so along Virginia borders where we were).  Some moved outwards to
Chicago and such places.

American Mutts both of us <g>.  I can only say my genetics seem a bit more
mixed than yours may be, but then I do not know.

 CS> lines. Bought at a slave auction 2 years before the civil war, her
 CS> stories that came down in tradition are something out of a pure
 CS> romance novel Cinderella style.  I have no way to prove any of it,
 CS> but why did the family preserve the stories if not true?

RW> Does your family have a historian? Ours on the Witt side is my dad's
RW> brother. He doesn't do a very good job though. My dad wrote his own
RW> biography (all CAPS and hard to read) and his dad started on his, but
RW> too late to finish it. No Etheopians in the background on either side
RW> though.

Heheh but probably some good tales!  Yes, we have a historian every 2-3
generations.  Some odd tradition or trait that just comes up.  The verbal
tradition is what we are all trying to get Mom to write down.  Doc Corbett is
one of the better ones.  Younger son of the landed gentry of England, came to
make a name for himself.  Somewhat of a black sheep as the stories go. 
Definatly a philanderer.  Kept 2 wives *in the same town* and one up north
state!  It was his son from his second wife I think, who's related the the
city of Corbett Virginia?  Might have been a grandson.


 CS> Neither were politically correct for WASP type USA folks to claim,
 CS> so ....

RW> Things like that are left out of family histories, even today. A broth
RW> marries an ex-wife and the kids from the previous marriage have the sa
RW> sur-name as the ones from the present marriage, yet they're brother an
RW> sister only by their mother's bloodline.

Yeah doesnt help that they liked the same common names so:  Charlotte Elizabeth
travels through time to be grandmother and daughter and grand-daughter ;)

Tradition in my family is when possible we will always have a Charlotte and an
Elizabeth, and if in doubt, one gets both names.  My sister broke tradition
and didnt use either name, I just somehow thought it was cruel to have
Charlotte Elizabeth Shenkenberger.  What a mouthful!  Went with Ann for the
middle name (Anne was a favorite Aunt of Don as well as my sister Charlotte's
middle name).

 CS> me the male ancestors of mine thought with their stomachs <g>.
 CS>                                        xxcarol

RW> Women who're good cooks are always considered to be closer than those
RW> who don't. I had an aunt that was short, fat and ugly, yet she was abl
RW> to cook for and catch a rich farmer. 'course, being an Ichabod Crain
RW> (sp) type of guy, he wasn't a good looking prize himself.

Grin!  I like it!  Looks are sorta shy on my side of the family too.  We are
'cute' not 'lovely'.  Most of us though, are good cooks (Sister is the
exception but her husband is a whiz with food and wont let her even try).  My
Mom was a lovely woman (handsome actually would be best term) but she's not a
fancy cook.  Edible food if you consider school lunches edible ;-)  Wonderful
in all other ways though so I was blessed as a child.
                                       xxcarol

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