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Skriven 2008-03-24 11:57:47 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 13430 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Euro invader crime...again
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24 Mar 08 08:02, Robert Bashe wrote to Jeff Bowman:

 JB>> I honestly don't see what's wrong with this by European views. We
 JB>> catch a lot of obvious lawbreakers with these methods.  The criminal
 JB>> initiated the illegal behavior.  Why is it so wrong, exactly?

 RB> What's bothering a few (not all) Europeans here is the technicality
 RB> that the contact was made in Europe and the arrest only made when the
 RB> subject entered the USA. The question of who first approached whom
 RB> appears to be nearly totally ignored,

It is against the law for any USA LEO to entice another as the first party
to a crime. i.e. the alleged criminal has to make first contact. If the
Svede came here on the pretense of sex with a minor, it was his sole
action to do so. He was not invited or the arrest wouldn't have been made.

 RB>  as is the question of why anyone would spend the money to come to
 RB> the USA without a specific purpose except naturally to carry out what
 RB> was previously stated or planned or intimated in a chatroom or forum
 RB> or whatever.

The Svede, just like Menno Blom, would not be arrested upon arrival, but
only after they have made first contact while in country. If he went about
the business of a tourist, site seeing, the police would not have known he
was in country. Obviously his actions were what got him arrested.

 RB> Some also don't understand the "honeypot" method of attracting
 RB> malicious (programs, persons, etc), where you simply set up something
 RB> attractive for your target group - say child porn fans in this case -
 RB> and wait for them to be drawn to it.

The presence of a minor in a chat group talking promiscuously may not
always be a teen ager looking for sex...

 RB> In fact, this is actually done in Germany, and there have been a
 RB> couple of nationwide raids as a result.

 RB> There are also undercover agents in Germany who try to join illegal
 RB> groups and sometimes even commit minor crimes to make their cover
 RB> believeable.

Yeah, but do they tempt Dutchmen and Svedes successfully enough to get
them to cross the border into Germany?

According to Vlist and the dumb Svedes here, that's entrapment.

 RB> Some also don't understand that when you do something a country
 RB> considers illegal, you take your chances going anywhere near that
 RB> country.

Something Blom and this latest criminal were ignorant of.

 RB> There was a case several years back when an American neonazi
 RB> was invited to Denmark to speak at a rightest conference. The Germans
 RB> requested the Danes to arrest the guy and extradite him to Germany,
 RB> where he was tried for various things including denying the holocaust
 RB> (a crime in Germany, but not in Denmark or the USA) and convicted. He
 RB> may still be in jail in Germany for all I know.

Odd that a Belgian here has spoken of commercial flights over the USA have
been forced to land so LEOs here can arrest someone, but didn't bother to
mention this.

 RB> In Sweden, there was an illegal raid on the Pirate Bay website,
 RB> ordered by the interior minister (who in fact doesn't have the
 RB> authority to do that directly) under intense pressure from the
 RB> American RIAA and MPAA. Servers belonging to others, unrelated to the
 RB> website, were also confiscated and several businesses suffered losses
 RB> as a result. Ask Bjorn Felten for details... he knows all about this.

That just goes to show that the Svedes must be inferior beings. If a cop
here didn't have the authority, it wouldn't happen unless they were led by
an officer with authority.

 RB> The point is that nobody's perfect and justice systems everywhere are
 RB> open to criticism at one point or another. And that if you don't want
 RB> to be subject to the laws of a country, be they draconian or
 RB> illogical or unfair as hell - then don't go to the country, dammit!

 RB> Nuff said?

It needed to be more pointed so it would penetrate the hard skulls of
those who continously say this so-called LEO entrapment is our fault. :o)


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