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Skriven 2008-04-21 12:40:00 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
  Kommentar till text 14287 av Joe Delahaye (76900.fidonews)
Ärende: Thought crime...again
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Hello Joe.

21 Apr 08 08:30, you wrote to me:

 JD>   Re: Thought crime...again
 JD>   By: Jeff Smith to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 20 2008 22:09:48

 >>      The thing that some seem not to understand is that the action
 >> to have sex with a minor child, a US minor child is illegal. The
 >> action of having sex, trying to have sex, conspiring to have sex
 >> with a minor child is illegal here.

 JD> Oh I think they understand that part, just not the part that they are
 JD> being tricked into coming to the USA.  THAT type of police action
 JD> appears to be illegal in most of EUrope

     That is part of the matter that I have a problem understanding. If I
know that what I am wanting to do is likely to be illegal either in my home
country or MORE likely in another country. Why would I be suprized by LEA's
taking steps to catch me?

     I don't have a problem with that police action provided:

     The idea for committing the crime came from the person accused of the
crime and not the LEA.

     The LEA's did not persuade or talk the person into committing the crime.
Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as
persuading him to commit the crime.

     The person was ready and willing to commit the crime before the LEA's
spoke with them.


 >>      I think that goal here isn't to "Push US laws on other
 >> countries". The goal as I see it is to try to protect children in
 >> the US. The goal is to announce to everyone that if they act on
 >> their desire to exploit, victimize, or have sex with a minor child
 >> here. They will be arrested.
 >>

 JD> But.....   It APPEARS that is exactly what the US is doing, and
 JD> appearances is what makes in impression on the rest of the world.

     In this situation where the US LEA's enforce US law on people on
US soil. Where are they "Pushing US laws on other countries" Some of
those breaking the law are from other countries. Those people made the
choice to come to the US. The US LEA's did not go to the other countries
to make the arrest. US laws are being enforced on people on US soil.


 >>
 >>  >>  > They can contact the police in the country of their 'fish'
 >> to do
 >>  >>  > that part, and inform them of what is going on.
 >>  >>
 >>  >>    An IF the action is not illegal in the person's home
 >> country.
 >>  >> What do you expect the outcome to be? As has been pointed out
 >> no
 >>  >> law in the home country was broken. How likely is it that the
 >> home
 >>  >> country will arrest a citizen of their country based on what
 >> they
 >>  >> are accused of doing in another country?
 >>
 >>  JD> The thing is, that while talkin over the internet may not be
 >> illegal
 >>  JD> in whichever country, I'm sure that the local police  (and
 >> probably
 >>  JD> their foreign affairs people), will keep an eye on what is
 >> happening
 >>  JD> and prevent any action. Cooperation works wonders, and it has
 >> been
 >>  JD> done that way before many times. All you have to do is read
 >> the news,
 >>  JD> regards Interpol action on Childrens Sex Rings
 >>
 >>     There is indeed growing cooperation amoung differant countries
 >> regarding international sex tourism. Many countries have passed new
 >> laws or are considering amendments to their existing laws to
 >> address the sexual exploitation of children and hold offenders
 >> responsible. I think you will find that some day it will no longer
 >> be a matter of "The US pushing it's laws on others". It will be a
 >> matter of the same thing being illegal in a growing number of
 >> countries.

 JD> Even Thailand and other countries like that, are stepping into line
 JD> there.  I think the only thing will be the difference in ages of the
 JD> children.  I mean of course that there may still be problems because
 JD> of age of consent differences

    Agreed. Awhile back I posted a list countries with their age of
consent. The average as I rerall was 14-16.


 >>  JD> But the thing I am trying to get thru to you is that people
 >> from other
 >>  JD> countries may not realize there are indeed laws against what
 >> is quite
 >>  JD> legal in their own country.  They should probably check on
 >> things
 >>  JD> before travelling,
 >>
 >>      That may be true. But there is a saying here "Ignorance of the
 >> law is no excuse". I have been told that myself a time or two.
 >>
 >>     Now I can imagine someone in another country doing something
 >> that is legal there. But it would only seem prudent and logical
 >> that if they are going to involve people, places, or things in
 >> other countries. They would check on the legality of their action
 >> elsewhere. Especially, if they are willing to travel to another
 >> country to satisfy their desire.
 >>
 >>
 >>  JD> but being stupid is not illegal
 >>
 >>      Gosh, I hope not. Otherwise I would have been arrested many
 >> times over the years. <g>
 >>
 >>
 JD> And probably most of us <G> (including a certain individual who thinks
 JD> the rest of us are all stupid <G>)

 >>  BTW: What editor are ou using with SBBS?
 >>

 JD> Right now, I am using fseditor.js  I am still finding it hard to get
 JD> used to after having used another for many years.

    I asked because I have setup SBBS and am testing some things out.

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Jeff

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