Text 18560, 123 rader
Skriven 2008-07-06 18:06:32 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
  Kommentar till text 18548 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
Ärende: Make work
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Hello Björn.

06 Jul 08 19:36, you wrote to me:

 BF> I'm not surprised that *you* should be the first (and so far the only)
 BF> to pick up this thread Mr. Double Standard. Why don't you do as
 BF> Ross....ignore it when it suits him.

 RW>>>> Dumb fuck. Look into the definition of the phrase before you
 RW>>>> open your fat mouth. Indian Massacre can be either, to, by or
 RW>>>> between.

 BF>>> IIRC, but correct me if I'm wrong, that some time ago you
 BF>>> accepted to be the moderator for the Z1:ers so isn't it time you
 BF>>> start doing your job,

 JS>>      Wasn't it those outside Z1 that screamed that Felten was the
 JS>> only REAL moderator here some time ago?

 BF> That was BEFORE Ross accepted to be the Z1 moderator, wasn't it?

     You can't have it both ways Björn. Some say Felten is the only
moderator they recognize. Others say that we have two co-moderators.
Others agree but suggest that it is only true some of the time. We
need an araingment that all agree to abide by. Instead of an araingemnt
that changes and the needs dictate.


 JS>> Funny how the story changes to suit the moment.

 BF> Yeah....funny....isn't it.

 JS>> Is Cassell supposed to do the actual moderating but Felten takes
 JS>> the credit?

 BF> Where the heck did that come from?

     It's always been there Björn. So far we have just been ignoring it.

 BF> Who said anything about that? Credit the one that deserve it.

     Cassell? Felten? No one? Remember that according to Felten there is
no actual moderator here as the users are to moderate themselves.


 JS>>      In a scan of some 4000 messages for the "F" word I see it
 JS>> used by 11 people including you and Witt, Felten, Cassell,
 JS>> Drumond, Dossche, Van Der Vlist, Lewis, among others. When was
 JS>> the last time any of them was moderated for the use of the "F"
 JS>> word and who did the moderating?

 BF> Now Mr Doublr Standard....in a msg from you not long ago you told Roy
 BF> that he shouldn't use the samt tactic as others and all of a sudden
 BF> it's ok because others have done it as well.

    No. I am just suggesting a novel concept. A concept where all are
treated the same for the same action. If use of particular language was
not to be used then EVERYONE that used that particular language should
be treated the same. If I or Roy or you or Drumond or anyone here were
to use that language then we all should be treated the same. Above I used
the "F" word as an example.

 BF>  Talk about changing the
 BF> coat after the wind. And as you saw in Roys responce to you he have
 BF> his own way of doing things and how do you moderate someone with that
 BF> opinion? If he doesn't listen to you, do you really think he would
 BF> listen to Felten?

     We have no way of knowing now do we as Felten has stated that he is
unwilling to try. I believe his words were "I refuse to deal with those
assholes". Now that may be the case as history would tend to agree. But
we have to also notice that no moderating is being done toward those that
that Felten doesn't refuse to deal with. Yup, talk about double standards.


 JS>>      The bottom line Björn is that IF Felten is the actual
 JS>> moderator then why doesn't he moderate?

 BF> See above.

 JS>> Why are others being asked to actually moderate?

 BF> Ross accepted to be the moderator of Z1 so ask him.

 JS>> Why are you placing the blame for users behavior not being
 JS>> moderated on those that you tell to speak up any say something
 JS>> and not on the person whose job it really is?

 BF> See above.

 BF>>>  the job that everyone blaimed Felten for not doing. But I guess
 BF>>> that you are as everyone else here, you don't give a shit as
 BF>>> long it suits your own purpose so never mind, sorry I brought it
 BF>>> up.

 JS>>      People blamed Felten because although he wanted the tittle
 JS>> and position as moderator he didn't want the responsibility to
 JS>> have to actually moderate people. I suggest that if you wish that
 JS>> someone be moderated you should contact the person that you used
 JS>> to claim was the only real moderator.

 BF> I've told you before that we are all supposed to be so grown up so
 BF> that no moderation should be needed but you seems to think otherwise
 BF> and after reading the above by Roy I might agree with you.

     Given the differance and diversity in nationality, culture, personal
opinions, attitudes. There is little if any chance that self moderation
would work here. History has proven that.  Roy is certainly a participant
here Björn but is by no means the only participant. Don't you think your
words should be applied to everyone?

 BF> If you want to respond to this I might read it but don't expect me to
 BF> keep this thread up because I've had enough of all this shit.

    Ahhh... You just needed a shit fix. I see.

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Jeff

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