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Skriven 2008-11-29 21:13:18 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
  Kommentar till text 24254 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Loyalties
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Hello Michiel.

30 Nov 08 00:18, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff,

 MV> On Thursday November 27 2008 01:19, you wrote to me:

 JS>>>> It would have been so much easier if the Hussein had simply
 JS>>>> stated where the back door was and when it would be used.

 MV>>> That is a tad difficult is there are no WMD's so there is
 MV>>> nothing
 MV>                                ^ typo, must be "if"
 MV>>> to use the back door for.

 JS>>      And you know this to be a fact how? I thought you didn't
 JS>> believe that which could not be verified?

 MV> I am just saying that *if* there were no WND's, no back door was used
 MV> and so that would explain why he could not tell us where it was.

    And I would agree. But the question of WMD's has existed long before
9/11. Hussein has internationally been known to have used and desired
WMD's. Are the Iraqi deaths due to Hussein's use of WMD's on Iraqi
people any less sad or wrong?


 MV>>> See? There you go again: you already assume that there is a back
 MV>>> door that will be used. You are convinced there were WMD's and
 MV>>> are desperately looking for scenarios to explain why they were
 MV>>> not found. You are simple refusing to accept the simplest
 MV>>> explanation of them
 MV>>> all: they were not found because they were not there.

 JS>>     Simply Google "WMD's in Iraq" Michiel. There is plenty of
 JS>> info from a number of sources to suggest or directly state the
 JS>> existance of and the desire of Hussein to aquire WMD's. Hell, he
 JS>> even used them on his own people.

 MV> There is not a shred of cridible evidence that there were WMD's in
 MV> Iraq after say 1994. Oh, yes there is a lot of rumour, allegations and
 MV> innuendo. But there is no verifiable credible evidence. Nothinbg,
 MV> nada,  zilch.

     That would depend on your view as credible Michiel. Given that we
are both limited in our view of the worlds and the facts supporting what
happens in it. I recall you stating that you opinions are based on what
you see in the news (Written or otherwise) and from friends. Not meaning
to be be critical here. But what credible evidence to you expect to find
in the news reports? We see what the news media generates. Some more or
less accurate than the rest.


 MV> No WMD's were found. No eveidence that they ever were there after say
 MV> 1994 was found. Not by the team of Hans Blix and not by the US weapons
 MV> inspectors that came after the invasion. And do not tell me they
 MV> didn't try...

    Sure they tried Michel. They tried several times over a ten year
period to search for WMD's. The result when they left was that although
they hadn't found WMD's to the extent expected they were not satisfied
with the search and fealt it incomplete.


 MV> Ok, I can not prove that pink unicorns do not exist. But I do know
 MV> that postulating the existence of pink unicorns adds nothing to better
 MV> explaining how the world turns.  So Ockham's razor applies. And the
 MV> same goes for the WMD's in Iraq. assuming their existance adds nothing
 MV> to explains the known observed facts.

 MV>>> You OTOH, were convinced that Saddam lied when he claimed that
 MV>>> there were no WMD's because you disliked him.

 JS>>     No Michiel. You little "Twister" you.  There is plenty of
 JS>> info available to suggest the existance of WMD's in Iraq.

 MV> No, there is not. All there is is rumour, allegations and innuendo.

 JS>> I disliked Hussein for his brutal dictatorship of Iraq and the
 JS>> torture and killing of anyone that he fealt didn't blindly and
 JS>> totally support him. Again the proof is there for all to see. If
 JS>> one is willing to see that is.

 MV> I am not arguing that he was a ruthless dictator. But that does not
 MV> mean that he lied when he claimed there were no WMD's. You were all
 MV> far too willing to believe the WMD story.

    What I believe Michiel is simple. I think that WMD's did exist in
Iraq at a time prior to 9/11. There is sufficient info available to
support the prior use of WMD's. I also think that there was not
sufficient evidence of WMD's in Iraq to warrant the use of WMD's as a
reason for the Iraq war by anyone. Regardless of who (Intel) may have
suggested otherwise.

 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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Jeff

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