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Skriven 2009-01-09 10:39:58 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Attitudes
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Hello Robert,

On Thursday January 08 2009 11:59, you wrote to me:

 MV>> You really should do something about your news sources. Hamas has
 MV>> stated they will recognise the 1967 status quo. That is an
 MV>> implicit recognition of the state of Israel.

 RB> Very implicit indeed, and there was nothing about stopping attacks on
 RB> Israel.

There was nothing about Israel stopping their policy of eliminating Hamas
members with air raids either.

The point is that Hamas has recognised Israel's existance and abandonned the
idea that it should be eliminated.


 MV>> You hatred is clouding your judgement. While the people of Gaza
 MV>> are no angels, the rocket attacks had virtually stopped after the
 MV>> cease fire.

 RB> Your big blue eyes are having trouble seeing the realities. The
 RB> so-called "cease fire" before the Israelis got tough was broken daily
 RB> with rocket attackes on settlements to the north and east.

It is simply not true. Your are letting the propaganda get to you. The number
of Israelis killed in Hamas rocket attacks between the start of the cease fire
and the day Israel broke it, is zero.

 RB> If they had stopped, which was the agreement,

They *DID* stop.

 RB> there would have been no reason for Israel to defend it's people,
 RB> since they wouldn't have been in danger.

Excuses.

It was Israel that did not live up to their part of the agreement. *They* are
the offenders.

 MV>> You seemed to have missed that it was Israel that broke the cease
 MV>> fire on November 5th by killing six alleged Hamas members. Killing
 MV>> a handful of innocent bystanders in the process.

 RB> And how many Israelis were terrorized by Hamas rockets before that
 RB> happened?

None.

 RB>  Your idea of "peaceful behavior" appears to be sitting back
 RB> and letting terrorists do what they will to your population without
 RB> striking back to eliminate the source.

As I wrote before: your hatred is clouding your judgement. You are saddled with
the idee fixe that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and so that it must be the
bad guys not matter what.

Or maybe it is guilt. The westeren world seemd to be paralised by some guilt
syndrome over the Holocaust. No one dares speak against Israel because that mat
be explained as being ion the wrong side. Nobody seems to be able to muster the
courage to say that who were ones the victims need not be the good guys now.
Nobodt in the wetsren World takes the courage to say that having been the
victim of a terrible crime is not carte blanche to terrorize others. It is time
that we - the Western World - tell Israel that if they want to be part of the
interbational community they have to obey its rules like everyone else.

One of these rules is to comply with UN resoltions. The UN ordered a cease fire
lat night. It is time Isreal is told that they have to comply or serious
consequences will follow....

 MV>> Bob, the must have been planning this for a long time. They have
 MV>> been provoking Hamas to resume the rocket attacks...

 RB> You confuse cause with effect. No rocket attacks, no retaliation by
 RB> the Israelis.

Get your facts straight. The rocket attacks had stopped.

 RB> Incidently, how is the Netherlands dealing with muslim terrorists
 RB> nowadays?

What Muslim terrorists?

The last terrorist acts in The Netherlands were the hijackings in the mid
seventees by Molukkans.
 RB> EVERY counry has the right and duty to protect it's citizens, and
 RB> Israel is no exception.

But the people of Gaza are the exception? They do not have the right to
retaliate when their leaders are systematically eliminated in air attacks?

 MV>> When i claimed the US could not win in Afghanistan and Iraq, you
 MV>> said it was different from Vietnam. Well, the Taliban is de facto
 MV>> in control in Afghanistan and there is no peace in iraq.

 RB> You exaggerate greatly, and neither of these arab countries are
 RB> Vietnam.

Yet, the guarilla war has not been won....

 MV>> I repeat: One can not win a guerrilla war against an enemy
 MV>> fighting on its own territory.

 RB> Israel IS on it's own territory.

They are fighting in Gaza.

 RB>  The Syrians and Iranians in Lebanon, and possibly in Gaza, are NOT.

The people in Gaza fighting against Israel are.

Isreal will not win this war. They may stop Hamas from winning, they may up the
death toll by a few orders of magnitude, but they will not *win*.



Cheers, Michiel

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