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Skriven 2009-01-20 13:49:10 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 26506 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: The first of many to come
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20 Jan 09 15:35, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> That one is easy. Just treat them like any other suspect.

 RW>> To do so, they would have to be released from Gitmo and housed
 RW>> somewhere in the US, which gives them the same rights as someone
 RW>> who's arrested for armed robbery.

 MvdV> If that is what your laws say, then that is how it is, isn't it?

That's why they're in Gitmo.

 RW>> If they do that, then if they're aquited (by some magical miriacle),
 RW>> they would be released to roam the streets of the US,

 MvdV> Same as when a suspect of an armed robbery is aquited.  The
 MvdV> problem?

We've already had our taste of terrorists with the freedom to do what they
do.

 RW>> which is unacceptable to American society.

 MvdV> Why? Does not you constitution say that all are equal for the law?

You missed the word, citizens.

 MvdV> Irrespective of skin colour, religion, culture, etc, etc?

Citizens.

 MvdV> Why does American society have a problem with upholding their own
 MvdV> constitution?

There is no problem there.

 MvdV> Anyway, you guys should have thought of that before taking these
 MvdV> people in your custody.

We did. That's why they're in Gitmo.

 RW>> 60 percent of those who were released to their home country have
 RW>> been found fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan against allied forces.

 MvdV> And you know this how?

CIA or FBI statistics, forget which it was.

 MvdV>>>  And if that means having to let them go, then they will have
 MvdV>>> to be let go.

 RW>> I propose that if they're let go, they be released in your country.

 MvdV> Denied. We have enough problems with immigrants as it is. You solve
 MvdV> your own.

LOL! I didn't think you'd go for it when it came down to it.

 MvdV>>> Those are the rules in a civilised society and there can be no
 MvdV>>> exceptions.

 RW>> In that case, when will be the earliest convenient date for their
 RW>> release in Holland?

 MvdV> See above. Hold your own pants.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt. See above.

 MvdV>>> If you can not convince a court that someone has committed a
 MvdV>>> crime and deserves to be locked up, then you have to let him
 MvdV>>> go.

 RW>> Their guilt isn't in question.

 MvdV> In that case there should be no problem getting them convicted in
 MvdV> court.

We have one who admits to being a mastemind of the 9/11 attacks and he
WANTS to be prosecuted and put to death. It's his Jihad to do just that.
I'm all for giving him what he wants, but I'd make sure his death would be
because of too much pig meat in his belly, not lead in his heart. That's
my Jihad.

 MvdV>>> That is what makes the difference bewteen a civilised country
 MvdV>>> and a suppressive dictatorship.

 RW>> Then you accept the proposal and are now a spokesman for your
 RW>> government in accepting the released prisoners. I'll let my
 RW>> government know that you've taken the lead in this and have them get
 RW>> in touch.

 MvdV> Can you show a document with my signature where I authorise you to
 MvdV> act as my spokesman?

Yes. You have (electronically) signed this message.

 MvdV>>> May I point out that ignoring the above is what created the
 MvdV>>> problem in the first place?

 RW>> You may, but I don't have to believe you're telling the truth.

 MvdV> You don't have to believe that the earth is not flat either. But it
 MvdV> won't restore your credibility if you remain in denial.

Wishful thinking on your part.

 MvdV> Cheers, Michiel

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