Text 3279, 144 rader
Skriven 2007-06-26 12:41:12 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
   Kommentar till text 3201 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: Nipple slip
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Hello David.

25 Jun 07 18:32, you wrote to me:

 DD> Jeff Smith -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>>>>> Please point us to a message posted by Björn in his capacity
 DD>>>>> as moderator where he expresses his feeling of the US system.


 JS>>>>      Not necessary David and you know that. Björn is a
 JS>>>> moderator here and the Fidonews editor.

 JS>>>>      Correct?

 DD>>> Correct - but unless he is actually wearing his editor or
 DD>>> moderator hat then he is just another participant just like you
 DD>>> an I.

 JS>>      I doubt that many/most see it that way David. If I see the
 JS>> person who happens to also be the moderator post messages of a
 JS>> insulting or biased nature in the same echo that (s)he moderates.
 JS>> I will make the natural association of the attitude expressed to
 JS>> the moderator. Björn does not have to put his moderator hat on to
 JS>> have his personal views that he openly expresses associated to
 JS>> him as moderator. That may not be totally right but that is the
 JS>> reality of the situation. People look at what he says in his
 JS>> posts both as a participant and as a moderator. Björn is smart
 JS>> enough to know that but he still chooses to express his personal
 JS>> hates and dislikes in this echo and then complains when people
 JS>> take issue with it.

 DD> Then that is your narrow minded attitude that has the problem, and not
 DD> Björn's behaviour.


     Typical tactic David. Try to shift the blame to someone else.


 JS>>      I don't have a problem with him having personal negative
 JS>> views of certain aspects of America, it's government, or even
 JS>> certain groups within America. But I think it is unfair to insult
 JS>> a country or it's people as a whole.

 DD> Yes, he should do what the USAmericans have done and invade and kill
 DD> many of the inhabitants!

     If you keep taking too much of that stuff it impair your thinking
processes. <g> Me thinks your train of thought has jumped the track there
david.


 JS>> You have seen for yourself that Björn will go out of his way to
 JS>> search for negative things to post about America. Again all in
 JS>> the same echo that he is a moderator of. I'm sorry, but IMHO that
 JS>> isn't a smart move for a moderator. At least not for one that
 JS>> expects much of any respect or to be taken seriously.

 DD> What respect are you speaking of? What is this fixation you have with
 DD> "respect'?

     Thats simple there David. The respect that people will have for someone
that they see treats people all the same regardless of what country they may
come from, what religion they may be, or what political views they may have.
When people see that the moderator does not push his personal views onto the
users and doesn't let those same personal views affect his duties as moderator
they will respect that fact. Even if they don't happen to agree with or even
like the moderator. The problems arise when people feel and see from the
moderator's own actions that how people are treated depends on where they
happen to live and if the moderator happens to like them. A number of the
so-called troublemakers here have stated that even though they have made it
clear that they do not like the moderator they would abide by his moderations
IF they could respect his fair treatment of people.

 DD>>> [..]


 DD>>>>> Why ever not? Are we to be subjected to the ranting of overly
 DD>>>>> chauvinist USAmericans with no right of reply?


 JS>>>>      You defeat your own argument David when your only recourse
 JS>>>> is respond with insults.

 DD>>> Insults? Is is insulting to suggest that many of the USAmericans
 DD>>> posting in these echoes are chauvinists?

 JS>>      The point David is that we are so eager to refer to one's
 JS>> country when expressing an opinion about the actions of certain
 JS>> people. Why single out Americans?

 DD> I didn't single out Americans, I singled out USAmericans. The rest of
 DD> the Americans don't tend to present the amounts of chauvinistic
 DD> propaganda here that the USAmericans do.

     Let me re-phrase that. Why group people together needlessly when
refering to a few or a single person? Why be so quick to lable people
and group them together to make some negative commemt? Your manner tends
to negate any validity your statements might otherwise have.


 JS>> Regardless of the posting percentage actually
 JS>> involved. Is it necessary for me to refer to Australia if I
 JS>> dislike something that you and maybe someone else from the same
 JS>> country might have said?

 DD> Go ahead, make my day.

     There is no need. If I were to have a problem with you I would take it
up with you as an individual and not bring your country into the discussion
at all.

 JS>> I think in the majority of cases the answer would be no.
 JS>> IMHO I see the mentioning of someone's country way too much in
 JS>> posts here. We look too hard to find ways of dividing ourselves
 JS>> into groups. Be it based on geography, religon, politics, or
 JS>> ethinicity.

 DD> Do you actually know anything about those subject in relation to those
 DD> not USAmerican?

 JS>>     Regarding your statement David. It is at least unfair to
 JS>> suggest that because certain people choose to take exception at
 JS>> having their country insulted that they are chauvinists.

 DD> Nope its the overtly pro-USA bullshit I'm referring to.

     So... You are pretty much set to refuse to hear or listen to anything
then unless it in someway bashes America, or Americans? Glad yo cleared
up ay lingering doubt that people might of had.

 DD> --

 DD> regards

 DD> David

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Jeff

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