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Text 33058, 273 rader
Skriven 2009-06-05 11:33:01 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Ärende: Saberi vs Blom
======================
Hello Roy,

On Thursday June 04 2009 11:34, you wrote to me:

 RW> Wrong. She brought attention to herself long before that. That's why
 RW> her press pass was revoked.

So you admit that it was revoked.

 MvdV>> When they took a closer look, they found her in possession of
 MvdV>> classified documents.

 RW> Wrong.

Right.

 MvdV>> And the charges were not dropped, Her sentence was reduced to
 MvdV>> two yeras and converted into a suspended sentence, so she wad
 MvdV>> set free on parole.

 RW> That's as good as dropped.

Only in your mind.

 MvdV>> If she viloates the conditions of the parole, she can still go
 MvdV>> back to jail. If she is stupid enough to go to Iran again...

 RW> Who said she ever left Iran?

The newspaper reports. They say that after her release she went "home" with her
her parents who live in the US.

 MvdV>> At least she got a trial. Contrary to Sami Al-Haj, an Al
 MvdV>> Jazeera cameraman who was held for six years in Guantanamo by
 MvdV>> the U.S. government. Without at trial and without being
 MvdV>> charged.

 RW> Shit happens...next time he'll think twice about getting involved with
 RW> terrorists.

Who says he was involved with terrorists? he was never charged.

 MvdV>> Because under political pressure from the US her sentence was
 MvdV>> suspended.

 RW> The US didn't put any pressure on the Iranians...

Sure they did.

 RW>>> She openly admitted that she bought a bottle of wine.

 MvdV>> So contrary to what you claimed she violated the law.

 RW> Did she?

Yes she did. She worked as a journalist without having the credentials. Sha was
found in posession of classified marteial. Both are against the law.

 RW>>> "She said that she had bought a bottle of wine and the person
 RW>>> that sold it had reported it and then they came and arrested
 RW>>> her," her father said, adding that the wine purchase was just an
 RW>>> excuse to arrest her.

 MvdV>> Hearsay.

 RW> A direct quote from her father.

That is hearsay.

 RW>  If it wasn't so, the Iranians would have refuted what he said. They
 RW> haven't.

How do you know what the Iranians would do or what they would not do? They are
Iranians, they do not observe US American logic.

 MvdV>> So she did not have credential at the time of her arrest. The
 MvdV>> claim that it was tolerated is meaningless. Anyone can make
 MvdV>> such a claim.

 RW> Apparently the Iranians didn't pay her any attention, or she would
 RW> have been arrested before 3 years had passed. That implies that they
 RW> tolerated whatever she was doing.

Until they stopped tolarating it. That is the problem with acting under
tolerance. it can be revoked any minute and then one has no leg to stand on.

 MvdV>> Iran does not recognise dual nationality. She was in iran when
 MvdV>> she was arrested.

 RW> Iranian Judiciary, accused Haleh Esfandiari, Kian Tajbakhsh and Parnaz
 RW> Azima of "Acting against national security by engaging in propaganda
 RW> against The Islamic Republic Of Iran and spying on for foreigners.

Your point?

 RW> "Azima, a reporter for the Persian-language services of Radio Free
 RW> Europe who holds both Iranian and American citizenship, is also being
 RW> prevented from leaving Iran. Her passport was confiscated by the
 RW> authorities in January 2007. On May 21, following the deposit of a
 RW> large bail payment, the authorities refused to return her passport."

Your point?

 MvdV>> Saberi was born in the US. She was raised in the US. For all
 MvdV>> intents and purposes she is American.

 RW> Better check here photograph.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04262009/photos/roxana_saberi.jpg

Does that look like an Iranian?

 RW> She doesn't dress like, doesn't talk like, nor does she act like an
 RW> American. She's Iranian thru and thru...

No, she is not.

Saberi was born in New Jersey and grew up in Fargo, North Dakota, the daughter
of Reza Saberi, who was born in Iran, and Akiko Saberi, who is from Japan.[10]
Graduating with honors from Fargo North High School in 1994, Roxana played
piano and soccer, and took part in Key Club and danceline.[11] Saberi was
inducted into the school's Hall of Fame in 2007.[11]

She graduated in 1997 from Concordia College in Moorhead, Minnesota, with
degrees in Communication and French. Saberi also played for the Cobbers soccer
team in both the 1994 and 1996 seasons.[12]

Chosen as Miss North Dakota in 1997,[12] she was among the top ten finalists in
Miss America 1998, winning the Scholar Award.[11] Saberi holds her first
Master's Degree in Broadcast Journalism from Northwestern University and her
second Master's Degree in International Relations from Hughes Hall,
Cambridge,[11][13] where she played for the King's College, Cambridge soccer
team

Sha is as American as you can get.

 MvdV>> In the US they do not like young man who respond to the mating
 MvdV>> call of willing young American females. Menno Blom made the
 MvdV>> mistake of not taking that into account.

 RW> LOL! Only fools fight lost battles to the bitter end.

Simply stating the facts.

 MvdV>> In Iran they do not like gorgeous young American females that
 MvdV>> issue mating calls. Roxana Saberi made the mistake of not
 MvdV>> taking that into account.

 RW> LOL! Only fools fight lost battles to the bitter end.

Simply stating the facts..

 MvdV>> Iran does not recognise dual nationality.

 RW> If not, why do they confiscate non-Iranian passports?

Exactly because of that. They do not recongnise dual nationality. So when a
person has two passports, one must be illegal. So they confiscate it.

 RW>>> "Ms Saberi, who holds an Iranian passport in addition to her
 RW>>> American one, has lived in the Islamic republic for the past six
 RW>>> years."

 MvdV>> That does not unmake her an American. Iran does not recognise
 MvdV>> dual citizenship.

 RW> If not, why do they confiscate non-Iranian passports?

Do they? The report you quoted just say "her passport". Not which one, the
American or the Iranian.

 MvdV>>>> Blom fell into a trap.

 RW>>> Blom built his own trap...

 MvdV>> Then so did Saberi. Man, look at her. She is gorgeous!

 RW> She's an Iranian...she's young looking, but not gorgeous.

http://michellerafter.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/roxana-saberi-photo.jpg

Looks gorgeous to me.

 RW> Her nose isthe size of a camel's,

http://azadmardoman.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/roxana-saberi.jpg

Nothing wrong with her nose...

 RW> her face will soon have the shadows of a mustache and sideburns, she
 RW> soon will be as attractive as a camel's ass. Worst of all, her nose
 RW> will continue to increase in size the older she gets.

Perhaps in another 20 years..

In the meantime she is a gorgeous looking  young women even by my standards. In
Iran they do not want women like that to expose themselves.

 MvdV>> Bullshit. She was not "returning to Iran" She is born and
 MvdV>> raised in America. She is an American.

 RW> Bullshit. She is an Iranian, not an American. Perhaps in two more
 RW> generations with a change in attitudes and intra-marital offspring
 RW> educated in America, the next generation might get lucky and be
 RW> American.

She was born in new Yersey and grew up in Fargo ND... See abpove. She is more
American than Obama.

 RW> Iranian intelligence agents often bring politically motivated charges
 RW> of "endangering national security" against activists and
 RW> intellectuals. The detentions and travel bans are part of a broad
 RW> crackdown being mounted against Iranian human rights activists,
 RW> students, and labor organizers and etc by Iranian intelligence
 RW> services.

Yep. That is Iran. Plus that they do not like Amercians. Especially good
looking female Americans. Any Aemrican with a brain would have stayed home.

 RW>>> Young people are like that.

 MvdV>> And sometimes young people are stupid. Like Blom and Saberi.

 RW> Blom certainly was. Saberi has a different attitude about herself. She
 RW> didn't live in Iran for the last six years looking for 14yo sex
 RW> partners.

That might have been the better choice. If sex with a fourteen year old was all
she did, nobody would have bothered her. In the Islamic world fourteen years is
not too young for sex. The Profit married a nine year old girl..

No, she was not looking for sex, but she certainly was looking for trouble. If
she wanted to be a reporter, she shuld have stayed home in the US.

 MvdV>> Of course she is free to make her own decisions. But if she
 MvdV>> makes stupid decisions, she has to accept the consequences.

 RW> How much jail time did she do again?

Several month.

 RW> Compare that to Blom's jail time and tell us who is the stupid one.

Stupidity is not measerd in jail time. Blom's only stupidity was not realising
that an offer that looks to good to be true, usually isn't.

Saberi is no ignoramus. She holds several degrees and knows her way around. She
could and should have known what she was getting into when she moved to Iran to
work as a journalist for an American company.

She knowingly and willingly walked into a snake pit.

 RW>>> Just as Blom deserved to be shot by firing squad for his
 RW>>> stupidity.

 MvdV>> That is not how the US court ruled.

 RW> It's a good thing he wasn't tried in an Iranian court eh!

On the contrary. What happened to Blom would never have happened in Iran. No
court in Iran would have convicted him, what he did was not against Iranian
law.

It is only in US America with their retarded conceptions about sex that LEO's
lay traps for people from other countries to lure them into asituation where
they can be arrested for intent to have sex with a fourteen year old.



Cheers, Michiel

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