Text 33567, 70 rader
Skriven 2009-06-21 13:38:58 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 33487 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Green Car for 2009                  Was: green fuel
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20 Jun 09 11:26, Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> RW>> There is no hydrogen brick involved in that process.

 RW>> WD> In view of the amount of energy needed to extract the hydrogen
 RW>> from
 RW>> WD> the water, I find that highly unlikely.

 RW>> While you may find it unlikely, it is happening.  Honda is leasing
 RW>> such vehicles now and says it will market such a vehicle in 2010.
 RW>> The Honda FCX RW> Clarity was named the 2009 World Green Car last
 RW>> month.

 RW>> http://tinyurl.com/muyeov

 WD> Thank you for the information, I was unaware.

 WD> Nevertheless, the article talks about "fuel cells" but does not go
 WD> beyond that notion. It doesn't explain what these "fuel cells" are
 WD> like.

I doubt that they'll let anyone know about how it's done until they've got
them marketed, where anyone can buy one and reverse engineer it.

Take a look at the 'Home Station' at http://tinyurl.com/lt564p

 WD> To me it would seem impossible that they have a watertank the content
 WD> of which is being funnelled through a process of hydrolyses (I don't
 WD> know the English spelling of that, merely guessing but I hope this is
 WD> close) where hydrogen and oxygen are extracted from water.

hydrolysis, close enough.

 WD> This process however is so slow it can never provide the quantities
 WD> of hydrogen required to drive such an electric engine. It would imply
 WD> enormous batteries to be carried in an 18-wheeler plus it would also
 WD> mean electricity turned into hydrogen turned again in electricity.
 WD> That would be very cost-ineffective plus in any transition there is a
 WD> significant loss.

The above site shows the 'home station' and the vehicle being fueled, or a
reasonable facsimile, anyway.

 WD> Therefor, I think, we are not talking liquid hydrogen cells, but
 WD> something solid.

I've seen some of the specs on the Chrysler fuel cell and the process is
done in the car by the fuel cell. If the Honda is anything like the Toyota
Prius, it will have a battery pack. But it won't be so obnoxious that it
would have to be pulled by an 18 wheeler.

 WD> If you find more to read about this, then I'm interested. Also
 WD> autonomy. I guess in the beginning of a new technology we should not
 WD> yet begin thinking about the cost to the consumer as it remains too
 WD> experimental.

http://world.honda.com/

When you get to this page, notice the 1961 Chevy pickup with Honda on the
side. That's a picture of the company vehicle used during the 1960s. 62
Chevy pickups look identical, except they only have one headlight.

                R\%/itt

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