Text 33904, 116 rader
Skriven 2009-06-29 14:39:41 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 33818 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: green fuel
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27 Jun 09 06:43, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>> A change in the infrastructure would mean a change in the way
 RW>> vehicles are fueled from how it's done with petroleium fuels. It
 RW>> isn't.

 RB> You must be joking, or you don't have any idea what hydrogen (gaseous
 RB> or liquefied) is.

In this case, it's neither.

 RB> The only thing a "hydrogen filling station" would have in common with
 RB> a normal gasoline one is that it's a station where you refuel.
 RB> Everything else is different.

One thing for sure. They don't store hydrogen fuel at a refueling station,
they make it on the spot when it's required by a customer.

 RW>> Changing to electric power eliminates that.

 RB> So? Electric filling station: exchange discharged batteries for
 RB> charged ones, drive off.

LOL! The price for a bank of batteries is around $3000...and they can't be
swapped out in a filling station.

 RB> The Filling station charges the batteries for the next customer.

LOL! That's not practical...who do you know that can afford to keep a
variety of batteries on hand for the off chance that someone would want
to swap them in a filling station?

 RB>>> Naturally the manufacturer is going to force you to service the car
 RB>>> at an authorized dealer (at high cost) and naturally only
 RB>>> extra-premium materials (high price) will be specified.

 RW>> Which is a typical German tactic. It's not necessary to maintain the
 RW>> warranty.

 RB> Let me put this modestly: bullshit! And by no means typical German.

Bullshit.

 RB> Don't tell me a US manufacturer will honor a warranty if you throw in
 RB> the grungiest oil and other fluids you can find and something
 RB> happens. Claim what you want, I simply don't believe it.

Who claimed that you could throw in dirty oil...not that anyone is that
much of an idiot to even consider it? Any reputable garage will have to
use what is recommended by the factory. Unless it's some idiotic thing
that can only be obtained from the dealer, like Audi engine oil and
transmission fluid.

 RB>>> Once you are free of such constraints, you can use what you like
 RB>>> and have the car serviced by an independent,

I've owned two new cars and never had them serviced at the dealer. It's
just a matter of record keeping to prove to the dealer that you've had the
recommended service done.

 RB>>>  who is merely
 RB>>> qualified but doesn't get paid by the manufacturer - and is
 RB>>> therefore inexpensive.

 RW>> But you don't need to take it to a dealer to have it serviced under
 RW>> warranty. The factory recognizes the independents too.

 RB> Who are constrained to follow manufacturer's guidelines,

Duhhhh! Which flys in the face of your insistance that they MUST be
serviced by a dealer.

 RB>  which will
 RB> include work methods and replacements. The constraints will
 RB> presumably affect the price, as in servicing at a dealership.

Never had that happen.

 RB>>> But the constraints you have in warranty have nothing to do with
 RB>>> American or German, they have to do with manufacturers everywhere.

 RW>> News to me. Many people avoid the dealers like the plague and have
 RW>> no problem getting warranty work done by independents.

 RB> Which has what to do with my above statement?

Your insistance that a manufacturer requires strict compliance with
service.

 RB>>> I would be most surprised if American manufacturers didn't have
 RB>>> similar rules during warranty

 RW>> They don't.

 RB> I don't believe you :-)

Oh well...shit happens...

 RB>>> - although in view of the insolvencies of American carmakers that
 RB>>> might not have been the case ;-)

 RW>> On the contrary, their dealerships operate just like before the
 RW>> O'bama took over their parent companies.

 RB> Oh, you mean the thousands of GM dealerships that have been or are to
 RB> be closed?

No dummmy, those who remain.

                R\%/itt

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