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Skriven 2011-04-11 17:10:37 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Kommentar till text 16648 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Mortsel Ertl VII aircraft plant was: Navigation
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10 Apr 11 19:11, Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt:
RW>> WD> So was the airport, in those days 'airfield' (it was a grass
RW>> runway),
RW>> It couldn't have been a grass runway, as it was the same airport
RW>> that's in use today called the Deurne-Antwerp Airfield.
WD> It certainly was a grass runway. Prior to WW2 there were military
WD> operations there with only Stampe&Vertongen SV4 bi-planes,
WD> single-engined Fairey-Battle bombers and a downscaled version of the
WD> Hawker Hurricane. There was the occasional Ju-52 and that was it
WD> then.
Non-the-less it was chosen because it was an airfield that was convenient
to other facilities required by the Germans to want that as a place to
re-build aircraft.
WD> There were no scheduled civilian services.
Since it was war time and the country was occuppied by another, that
country got to call the shots. Civlians don't normallly get to fly in
military occupied nations.
WD> The first real runway was built by the Germans in concrete in the
WD> second part of WW2. It was continuously attacked and bombed and as
WD> good as always unusable. Fighter operations occored from a grass
WD> runway which today stll is in operation, same angle as the current
WD> runway and slightly more to the north.
Smart those Germans. They build what looks like an air-strip and then keep
it in some kind of repair to make the allies think it's the main runway,
meanwhile the Germans used the grass. I like it!
RW>> From the mouth of a witness:
RW>> "The Germans who occupied the area saw the advantage of the Antwerp
RW>> harbour, ....
WD> The Antwerp harbour was not used by the Germans. It is 80km inland on
WD> a stream, any vessel of any importance there would be a sitting duck.
WD> The Germans never used it.
Non-the-less, in spite of what you claim, they occupied and used it.
RW>> ... the railroad that led very near to
RW>> this factory. They made the plan that their planes would not longer
RW>> been put on transport to the East for repair, ...
WD> They still needed to be transported there, coming from as far as the
WD> Eastern front in the immediate range of Allied bombers.
Boxcars filled with aircraft and Jews on top to keep the allies from
blowing it up...good trick.
RW>> That day they flew in...but already from the wrong direction. Their
RW>> arrival was announced long before they came so the ground defence of
RW>> the Germans was prepared.
WD> That was and still is an increible hoax.
Not according to your countryman who was there and witnessed for those
who were interested in the truth.
WD> From people who saw the bombing (my parents) and survivors on the
WD> cemetary here last week one could note the stories:
WD> * bright clear sunny day
WD> * no fighter planes
WD> * no flak ... simply there was no flak stationed anywhere along the
WD> bombing run. Photographs exist taken from the planes and they show no
WD> sign of flak.
You must be looking at the wrong photos. There are plenty of photos of
that run with flak all around the B17s.
WD> It was a high altitude bombing, the first from that altitude, higher
WD> than flak could shoot anyway. For a ME-109 it took 22-27 minutes to
WD> get at that altitude.
LOL! You're hilarious.
WD> They passed the target on the north and then made a turn to the
WD> southwest over Mortsel. No airraid warning was sounded as the planes
WD> were considered too high.
LOL! You're getting even more hilarious.
WD> Another hoax that was told to justify the error was that scout planes
WD> had drawn smoke circles over the target which had drifted with the
WD> wind.
BS - nobody used scout planes before bombing raids. They used the reports
of bombers flying that mission the previous day.
WD> Another hoax that was used for the ineffectiveness of the raid was
WD> that supposedly the day before a photography plane and been shot down
WD> while taking pictures of the plant and the pilot had a full
WD> description of the raid for the next day with him ... yeah ... sure
WD> ... right.
Rumors abound among the victims who have no idea what happened...
RW>> Due to the avoiding manouvres, the calculations of the targeting
RW>> machine became completely useless. Nevertheless in this densed
RW>> populated area they decided to drop all the bombs they had.
WD> The Norden bomb sight was a mechanical device unable to make
WD> calculations. You set direction, direction of wind, your own speed,
WD> the speed of the wind, air density, air temperature and altitude and
WD> through a mechanically moved crosshair the bomber could aim.
Wrong. It was capable of computing and controlling the 'auto pilot'
to put the aircraft on target. In theory the Norden bomb sight was very
accurate, but in reality, it wasn't. Then there was the practice of using
a 'master bombardier' where only one bombardier used the bomb site and
the rest of the mission dropped on his que. If they got all of the bombs
to drop within 1,000 to 2,000 ft (300 to 610 m) circles about an MPI (mean
point of impact), they called it a successful mission.
WD> The simple fact that day was they were off course and had no idea
WD> where the factory was, aiming at a few large schools thinking they
WD> were factories.
The target was hit, therefore, they knew where it was located. See MPI
above.
WD> It may be called collateral damage, it may also be called
WD> incompetence and bloody murder.
It may be called payback for complicity with the enemy that caused the
deaths of innocent people. But that wouldn't fit your agenda.
RW>> Afterwards it proofed that many of the kids were lucky: the bomb
RW>> that fell just beneath their classroom didn't exploded.
WD> One class in one school. 4 schools were hit.
240 dead students...nothing more than happened to children in London.
RW>> RW>> The above is an excerpt from: A Tale of Two Messerschmitts By:
RW>> RW>> Richard Corey
WD> The ultimate book "Bommen over Mortsel" tells something else.
I would consider that book to have a biased opinion...Richard Corey had no
agenda, he was merely describing a place that the two ME 109s, subjects of
his book, were rebuilt. As a writer, he would be obligated to do some
research into the subject before publishing it.
RW>> WD> It wasn't abortive in the least ...
RW>> As witnessed by the above, it was.
WD> Well, if you mean the attack was an abortion ... that it certainly
WD> was.
When an aircraft is forced off target because of flak, that is an aborted
mission, not an abortion. You're probably thinking of your aborted fetus'.
RW>> You were there and now you remember?
WD> Too many eyewitnessaccounts exist from survivors I see daily at the
WD> bakery, the butcher, everywhere around here...
LOL! Sure you do.
RW>> You mean last year, 2010?
WD> Also this year ... a couple of days ago.
Yeah, you were at the ceremony alright.
R\%/itt
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