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Skriven 2011-04-20 15:06:00 av WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av STEWART ARNETT
Ärende: Re: Taxes (was: Australia
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-=> STEWART ARNETT wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 SA> Hello WAYNE.

 SA> 19 Apr 11 18:50, you wrote to ROY WITT:

 WC> -=> ROY WITT wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 RW>> 18 Apr 11 15:10, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote to MARK HOFMANN:

 >>> Two questions.
 >>>
 >>> How did we _help_ Iraq?
 >>> How would oil taken from Iraq be free?

 MH>>> Any time a dictator is removed from power, that is a good thing.
 MH>>> Those days are long gone.  The people - especially the women,
 MH>>> now have freedom to be educated and not kept stupid so that the
 MH>>> powers that be - remain in power.

 WC>> So how do you defend the U.S. overthrowing a democratically
 WC>> elected leader in Iran and installing the Shah?

 RW>> No need! The Shah was the second and last monarch of the House of
 RW>> Pahlavi of the Iranian monarchy. He came to power with the
 RW>> overthrow of Ahmad Shah Qajar, the last ruler of the Qajar
 RW>> dynasty, who had abdicated his throne to live in France, having
 RW>> been weakened by the Soviet and British occupation of Iran.

 WC>> He was a dictator.

 RW>> The National Assembly of Iran, known as the Majlis, convening as
 RW>> a constituent assembly on December 12, 1925, deposed the young
 RW>> Ahmad Shah Qajar, and declared Reza Shah the new monarch of the
 RW>> Imperial State of Persia. The National Assembly of Iran changed
 RW>> Persia's name to Iran about ten years later.

 WC>> Why did we install Saddam Hussein as the dictator of Iraq in the
 WC>> first place?

 RW>> We didn't.

 RW>> * The Baath Party seized power of the Iraqi government in 1968
 RW>> with the  organizational help of Saddam Hussein.

 RW>> * From 1968-1977, Hussein rises through the ranks of the Baath
 RW>> Party. He  begins as a central figure but gathers more power
 RW>> during this time.

 RW>> * In 1977, he assumes control of the government with the present
 RW>> Baath  Party leader Bakr's health ailing.

 RW>> * On July 16, 1979 Bakr formally steps down and Hussein begins to
 RW>> take  formal control.

 RW>> * The next few weeks are a period of purging and consolidation on
 RW>>   Hussein's part.

 RW>> I don't read anything that says the USA was instrumental to the
 RW>> support of or 'installation to power' mentioned anywhere in the
 RW>> rise of SH to leader of Iraq.

 WC>> You might want to drop this debate as if you look too closely
 WC>> into these matters you may not really like what you find out.

 RW>> You've already lost it by repeating the liberal mantra of
 RW>> untruths.

 WC>> Dick Cheney and Halliburton for instance were both Saddam
 WC>> supporters and suppliers, up until the time they weren't.

 WC> You're a lost cause.

 WC> Apparently you consider the vested corporate interests of the
 WC> obscenely wealthy minority more worthwhile than the long term
 WC> stability and health of your own country.

 WC> Here's a clue.

 WC> The corporate interests and tiny obscenely wealthy minority of those
 WC> in charge of the corporate interests involved in energy, aerospace
 WC> and munitions could care less about the long term health and
 WC> prosperity of the nation.

 WC> They're in it for the $$$ here and now today and they've hoodwinked
 WC> the majority of Americans.

 WC> See as little as ten years ago over 60 corporations controlled
 WC> the main stream media, today it's six or less.

 WC> If you take the time to research those on the boards of directors
 WC> of those main stream media conglomerates you'll find a rather
 WC> disconcerting overlap of those in energy, aerospance and munitions
 WC> and those media outlets.

 WC> But perhaps you're better off in the dark?
 WC> The truth can be and often is disturbing.

 WC> Sites exist that document this information.

 WC> Upon reflection Roy you're probably better off remaining in the dark,
 WC> it can be comfortable.

 WC> It's not in the long term best interests of the nation however.

 SA> Not that i'm an expert in US politics but Wayne it would seem to me
 SA> that for Roy to vote the way he does is akin to the Chicken voting for
 SA> Colonel Saunders!!

The vote goes to he ( or she) who spends the most of other peoples' money 
and legislation enacted goes to the highest bidder.

Now you're an expert on U.S. politics.

I refer you to the Supreme Court Citizens United decision
that established this as the law of the land.

For far too long I was ignorant, blind and naive.


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