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Skriven 2011-07-14 18:35:30 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Vicious comments
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Hello Robert,

On Wednesday July 13 2011 12:54, you wrote to me:

 RB> I'm disappopinted in you, Michiel.

I am afriad the feeling is mutual.

 RB> You seem not to understand that there is never a fight without _two_
 RB> sides being involved.

When did I claim otherwise?

 RB> And you seem to expect help from me retroactively, which is an
 RB> impossibility.

Nom I do not expect help from you. Neither for the present not retroactively.
What I expect from you is that you live up to your claim of seeing things from
BOTH sides. Instead of just turning your guns on Björn and buttering up Ross'
arse.

I am still waiting for your comment on: 
http://www.vlist.org/downloads/rosstolee.txt

 RB> Just like Bjorn's constant digs, which provoke more from the other
 RB> side. You, Bjorn and Ward never tired of telling everyone how bad the
 RB> USA was and is. Ever think about how you'd react if the same was in
 RB> _every_ message to you, but relating to _your_ country?

I know extacly how I'd react as that has been exectly what happened.

 RB> And don't try to claim that was the case, since I've been reading this
 RB> echo for a long time too.

You have been reading selectively.


 MV>> No. The "pissant little country" came in the wake of the The Hague
 MV>> Invasion Act.

 RB> Which was unbelieveablly exaggerated by you and yours.

Who are you to judge? It was MY country that was threatened, not yours.

My country faced a military threat. Not bu a sworn enemy, but by a supposed
alley. I tyhake that seriously and so noy make the mistake of assuming I am the
only one. Many people here in The Netherland took it seripus and were very
upset.

 RB> Nobody in the States took that seriously, most people probably don't
 RB> even know what you're talking about,

And you think that makes it any better!? Well it certainly does not, It just
shows the arrogance. What you say it that it is not just Roy who say we are a
pissant little country and deserve to be treated as that. What you are saying
is that the people of the US threaten us with military action and they don't
give a damn how e feel about that. Now, if we were a sworn enemy, that would be
one thing. But we supposedly are a loyal alley.

 RB> but you're beating that dead horse to this day. Move on.

I will mode on when th US does. That is when they retract the The Hague
Invasion Act. As long as that threat hangs over our heads, I will not forget
about it.

 MV>> What can not be disputed is that it was BEFORE Björn took the hat.

 RB> All hail to the chief. Big deal.

 MV>>>> I did not hear from you then...

 RB> I'm not even sure I was reading the echo in those days,

You must havem since you commemted on my protetst.

 RB> but if so, I thought the affair was greatly exaggerated, the anger a
 RB> bit artificial. And the fact that we're even talking about such things
 RB> now is really ridiculous.

And that says it all. You think it is no big deal and fuck those who feel
otherwise.

 RB>>> - and I distinguish between such general things and direct
 RB>>> personal insults, which are _not_ general or accidental, but are
 RB>>> intended to denigrate and hurt.

 MV>> The "pissant little country" was not accidental and it certainly
 MV>> was intended to denigrate and hurt.

 RB> Not you personally. That's the difference.

Maybe. But if that is not personal and therefore ok, what is wrong with
"warmongers". That is not personal either.

 RB> I also seem to remember this particular episode was the result of some
 RB> left-wing Europeans wanting to haul top US military before the Hague
 RB> court for imagined "crimes against humanity" - a pretty transparent
 RB> anti-american ploy. Naturally, there was never a similar drive to
 RB> bring others,

Have you missed that last week a court decided that the Dutch are part
responsible for the death of Some Muslims that were send away from the compound
in Srebrenica?

 MV>> But you remained silent. Even worse, you consider Ry humorous.

 RB> Indeed. I think he often has humor, in contrast to the bloody
 RB> seriousness I often see in some others here. His insults are often so
 RB> outrageously exaggerated - the core of humor - that I have to laugh at
 RB> them. You could do worse than to relax and not take things that are
 RB> even years past so seriously.

Take some of your own advice then.

 MV>> Did you miss that Ross is the supposedly Z1 moderator here? Does
 MV>> it not apply to him too?

 RB> Of course,

Then I await your comment on: http://www.vlist.org/downloads/rosstolee.txt

 RB> but you allow yourself to be baited, too. And not that
 RB> rarely either. Should Ross not react to what I personally consider
 RB> blood insults by Bjorn?

"stupid moron" is ok and "retard" is not?

"You pussy dutchwomen" is ok?

 RB>  If Bjorn were at least a normal echo
 RB> participant, I think I could accept his abrasive style better. But he
 RB> claims to be moderator, and that is something I can't accept.

As does Ross...

 RB>>> Aside from which, I note that you, Bjorn and even Ward in days
 RB>>> past have given as good as you took - the word "warmonger" is
 RB>>> burned into my memory.

By your own standards, it is not personal and therefore ok.

 MV>> You do not think "warmonger" is a tailored response to "Euro trash
 MV>> shit pig pacifist pussy"? Or should it have been: "Stinking yankee
 MV>> trigger happy cowboy war mongering masochist schoolyard bully
 MV>> jerks"?

 RB> Let's just say, I've seen a good deal more "warmonger" here than any
 RB> of the others.

Then you read selectively.

 RB> But unsurprisingly, you only considered your own situation. So why do
 RB> you expect anyone to come to your defense when you don't reciprocate?

I do not ask for defence. Just that you live up to your claim of being
impartial.

 MV>> Tell it to Ross and Roy too and it would add to your credibility.

 RB> I don't have to prove my intents to you or anyone else, Michiel. If
 RB> you don't like the way I write here, you don't have to read my posts.

That might be an idea.

When i did that some years ago in Enet.sysop, yo went into a flat spin because
I ignored you...


Cheers, Michiel

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