Text 26096, 102 rader
Skriven 2012-02-28 11:15:53 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 26036 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Fidonews v29, n8 mes
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28 Feb 12 00:45, Dale Shipp wrote to Roy Witt:

 DS>> 2. Janis proposed a probable cause -- namely that some systems
 DS>> trapped them as dupes because of having over zealous dupe detection
 DS>> settings.

 RW>> Which has been proven to be false by those who've stated that they
 RW>> have seen them.

 DS> The people who have seen them got them because no system in their
 DS> path killed them.

Meaning that those down stream from Björn have seen them. Which means that
so far as can be detected from all that has been said about it being some
kind of conspiracy by BJ, are wrong.

 DS>> 3. Björn ridiculed her and claimed that it was all her fault.

 RW>> Which, as it turns out, is a fact and not fiction.

 DS> Wrong again.  Her system sent all of the messages out.

Or so she claims.

 DS> Some systems did not receive them all.

One of whom has stated publically that he only got the first page
directly from 261/38. Oddly enough, he's also a direct link.

While that person's downlink has said that he only got the first page from
140/1...

 DS> That is not her fault, it is the fault of the system that discarded
 DS> the rest of the messages.

You mean she didn't deliberately discard 11 of the messages from Nick and
sent only one page to Seaborn. Where's the fault, her system or his?

 DS>> 5. I looked at Björn's BBS and saw that *HE* was in fact missing
 DS>> those same messages -- ergo he, or one of his links, had killed
 DS>> them.

 RW>> Which was pointed out to you that they won't appear on his BBS,
 RW>> since what goes to his system from Janis' is 'passed through' and
 RW>> won't ever appear on his BBS. I would do the same thing if I were in
 RW>> his position as Editor of Fidonews.

 DS> You don't understand.  He receives messages.  He tosses them onto his
 DS> nntp server (part of his system).

Which is not a BBS...

 DS>  The method by which he tosses them leaves only the first of the
 DS> messages and kills the rest.  They do not "pass through" without
 DS> being tossed to his system.

You're guessing and making assumptions now.

 DS>> 6. His link for FIDONEWS confirmed that the messages left his BBS on
 DS>> their way to Björn.

 RW>> And Bjorn's downlinks have stated that they have seen them.

 DS> I have seen none who have stated that they got them from Björn.

Perhaps they're the wallflowers who wish to remain silent. And yet, TMohn
has seen them and has said so. Isn't he a downlink of Björn's?

 RW>>> Wrong, as Michiel, who is directly connected to Bjorn has stated
 RW>>> that he's seen all of Nick's messages.

 DS>> Michiel has various links to FIDONEWS.  He has not yet said to my
 DS>> knowledge where he got the messages.

 RW>> He has confirmed that Nick's nodenumber was included in the path,
 RW>> thus all 12 messages were passed to Bjorn's system onto his
 RW>> downlinks.

 DS> Nick's nodenumber would have been included in the path since that is
 DS> where the messages started.  Says nothing about whether or not Björn
 DS> passed them to his downlinks.

Björn has answered this to everyone's satisfaction but yours. IMO, that
makes it a closed case and really needs to end here.

 RW>> It has also been confirmed that they passed through Bjorn's system.

 DS> That has not been confirmed?  Show us the proof, or even a message
 DS> from anyone who claims that to be true.

You can do that on your own...I'm letting go of this dead horse.


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