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Skriven 2012-03-18 19:37:38 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 26863 av Björn Felten (2:203/2)
Ärende: Ivan the Terrible RIP
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Hello Björn,

 LL>> Berlin, Germany - John Demjanjuk, the convicted camp guard

 BF> Ahem, that poor, old chap was convicted once, OK, but acquitted in the
first
 BF> semi-objective instance after that.

The Jews convicted him of being a Nazi and condemned him to death.
But then let him go, realizing hanging him would have given him the
same status as Adolf Eichmann, who is a hero to many neo-Nazis.

 BF> Many years later, the poor man was once again dragged to court from the US
 BF> to Germany -- on a stretcher since he was too sick to travel regularly --
 BF> and once again he was acquitted.

The Jews dragged him to Israel the first time.  But that didn't
work quite the way as planned.  So they dragged him to Germany
the second time, knowing that Germans could be counted on to make
amends for what was done so long ago.

 BF> As anyone can see from the different photos posted as evidence, he hasn't
 BF> even the slightest resemblance of the original Nazi photos of said camp
 BF> guard.

The old coot was 91 years old at the time of his death.  He was
already an old man when he was first brought to trial, and far from
being the spry young soldier he once was in his youth.

 BF> Albeit being 25% Jewish, I still think that the Jewish hunt for old (as in
 BF> 90+) war criminals has gone too far.

If Adolf Hitler were still alive today we should allow him to continue
living in freedom?  What about other murderers?

The world knew that Adolf Eichmann was alive and well in South America.
And yet the world chose to do nothing.  Except for Israel, which sent
Mossad agents to kidnap him and bring him to [Jewish] "justice".  He
was tried in a kangaroo court, convicted, and hanged, then cremated,
his ashes strewn across the Mediterranean Sea.

The world knew that Ivan the Terrible was alive and well in the USA.
But when the Jews brought him to Israel to stand trial in their kangaroo
court, they soon realized their mistake.  Not wanting to put Ivan the
Terrible on the same pedestal as Adolf Eichmann, Israel set him free.
Then had their former persecutor (Germany) bring him to justice, being
that Germany still owed Israel an apology for Jews killed at Sobibor.

 BF> Yes, some of the worst offenders slipped away, and could even prosper by
the
 BF> loot they got. Operation Paperclip for instance.

Ivan the Terrible is the only war criminal ever to have lost US
citizenship twice.  I doubt that anybody will ever top that.  Except
Ivan the Terrible himself, whose body will be buried in the USA by
his son, Ivan the Terrible II.

 BF> But we have far worse parasites nowadays looting the system, that will
never
 BF> be brought to trial. Wasting our resources on those old Nazi farts will
not
 BF> make ourselves move a single centimetre forward in history.

There is no statute of limitation for murder.  Nor should there be.

 LL>> feared as Ivan the Terrible, is dead.

 BF> Ivan the Terrible most likely died in 1945, killed by people recognising
him
 BF> when he tried to escape. The poor chap, John Demjanjuk, who managed to
 BF> escape to the USA without even having the OSS, or even later the CIA,
 BF> covering his ass, the mere fact of that should be enough to give him the
 BF> proper alibi.

His entire trial in Germany was based on speculation, a "minority
report" kind of thing.  No real or hard evidence was ever shown or
given, or expected.  A trial based on hearsay.

Adolf Hitler most likely escaped Berlin, making his way out of
Germany via U-boat.  Many other Nazis did manage to escape, and
resettle in other parts of the world, msinly in South America.
Rumor has it that Adolf Hitler lived to the ripe old age of 108
in Chile, helping the poor in that country.  Can you imagine
what a trial that would have been had Mossad been able to find
Hitler alive and well?  Every Jew in the world would have wanted
to have his/her own say at that trial.  Which means Hitler would
never have been put to death for the many crimes he would have
been accused of having committed.  The only real question is
where such a trial would be held.  Would it be in Israel, Germany,
or NYC?

--Lee

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