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Skriven 2010-03-08 07:45:42 av Peter Knapper (3:772/1.0)
   Kommentar till text 5639 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
Ärende: Using An Alias 3
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Hi Lee,

PK>No, Fidonet is about the transfer of information between
PK>systems, it is NOT about BBS's or participants.

 LL> Without participants, there would be no fido.

Rubbish. Fidonet is about SYSOPS, not particpants.

 LL> It's that simple.
 LL> You can argue all you want about the structure of fido being what
 LL> it is, but that does not change the basic fact that fido is about
 LL> dialogue.  Dialogue between participants.

Dialogue between SYSOPS...

 LL> Who the hell do you think created fido?  

SYSOPS created Fidonet.


 LL> Participants mean EVERYTHING in fido.  

Rubbish. Sysops created Fidonet, participants are nothing to Fidonet.
Participants may be something to a BBS, but a BBS is NOT Fidonet. More than
anything else, YOU need to understand this. Fidonet is made up from Fidonet
NODES, not BBS's...

 LL> What do you think would happen if there were no participants in fido?

Fidonet will continue as long as there are Fidonet Nodes willing to exchange
data.

>LL>Is fido winning?

PK>Winning what? Fidonet is not in a battle that it needs to win...


>LL>Fidonet rules allow sysops and moderators to use an alias,

PK>Please quote the exact Fidonet document that states this?

 LL> There is no rule barring sysops or moderators from using an
 LL> alias/handle, meaning such use is allowed.

You are extrapolating something that does NOT exist.


 LL> In all echoes.
 LL> Likewise, there is no rule barring anybody else from using an
 LL> alias/handle.  In all echoes.  

You are overlooking something that ALL Fidonet systems have agreed to, that the
Sysop is responsible for ANYTHING that enters Fidonet from that Sysops Node.


 LL> Therefore, by what authority
 LL> (moral or otherwise) do sysops and moderators have to insist
 LL> that non-sysops and/or non-moderators use their real names?

Simple. By the Authority that THEY are the sysop of THAT Node and THEY are
responsible for all Traffic entering Fidonet from that Node.

 LL> Is fido a dictatorship?

YES! In the context of the BBS, it is. The Fidonet Sysop is responsible for ALL
traffic entering Fidonet from HIS node, therefore the Fidonet Sysop IS a
dictator.

 LL> If so, do as the monkey says.

 LL> However, fido is not, and was never meant to be, a dictatorship
 LL> of any kind.  

Rubbish. ALL of your reasoning is false because its based on the premise that
Fidonet has no rules, which is blatently wrong.

 LL> Rather, fido is an idea to help facilitate free and
 LL> open discussion by participants around the world.  And no dictator
 LL> can quell that idea, no matter how hard that dictator might try.

You realy need to read and UNDERSTAND the Policy 4 document before you expose
such invalid assumptions.


PK>All the Fidonet Policy documents that I am aware of state
PK>absolutely nothing on this subject.

 LL> That is correct.  Which means the use of an alias/handle is allowed by
 LL> all participants (including sysops and moderators). But not everybody in
 LL> fido holds that same view.  Especially the Red Queen (made famous by
 LL> Lewis Carroll).

And Policy 4 also does NOT say "though shalt not kill", so you say you are
allowed to kill? Wake up and smell thw grass Lee, you are living in a dream
world...

        
>PK>This one simple fact is the part that many people fail to
>PK>understand about Fidonet, that Fidonet IS ALL and EVERY
>PK>Fidonet sysop.

>LL>Fidonet is all about dialogue.

PK>Rubbish. In what Fidonet Policy document is tha tstated?

 LL> Real people wrote those documents.  Not some computer.  That means
 LL> fido consists of real people.  And real people conduct themselves by
 LL> having dialogue with other real people.

PK>You appear to be making some rather large ASSUMPTIONS there...

 LL> ass/u/me - to make an ass out of both u and me.

 LL> And that is no assumption.  :)

In your case it very much is sorry.;-)

Cheers.............pk.



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