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Text 8603, 74 rader
Skriven 2010-06-14 09:45:16 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
   Kommentar till text 8602 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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Hi Michiel,

>> The FBI didn't put up the funds, that was probably Natalie's Mom. The
>> woman is no doubt desperate to find out what happened to her daughter,
>> and you can't blame her for that.. very sad,

> Sad indeed. But I say that whoever provided for the money did not do Beth
> Holloway a favour. And neither did the FBI.

Yes, no one did anyone a favor with that action.  Joran needed money and he
picked a pathetic way to get it, though.

>I can understand that Beth Holloway is naive and desperate enough to hope that
>giving mnoey to JS will unearth the truth. But I have great difficulty that th
> FBI takes the same position. By now JS has told half a dozen conflicting
> versions of what happened to Nalalee Holloway

And even now, his stories about happened to Ms. Flores are crazy.  Two killers
in his room?  That last from the authorities in Chile...

> and none is compatible with the
> few known facts. So the FBI was not out to get to the truth, they were out to
> lay a trap for him and "get him" one way or another.

Who knows.  I don't think the FBI could ignore the extortion though. Once the
offer was made to Beth Twitty (think that's the Mom's current married name), I
would think the FBI could not ignore those charges.

> There is nothing worse for a parent than to lose a child. What I am going to
>say now may sound cold and hearthless. But as someone with personal experience
> in losing a child, I think I am entitled to say it.
>The best thing for Beth
>Holloway is to forget JS and move on. The case will not be solved, JS will not

Yes, I understand and I don't think what you said was neccessarily cold and
heartless.  It's really the only way to deal with such things IMO.

>be convicted for what happened to Natalee Holloway. We will probably never kno
>what happened to Natalee, attempts to get JS beind bars by laying traps for hi
> won't change that. Neither will revenge.

I don't think the intention was to lay a trap or the FBI wouldn't have waited
for Joran to contact Twitty.  No one is talking about that idea that I've seen.
Think about it.. if someone contacted you who was known to be involved in such
a case, I doubt even you could ignore that person contacting you.

> The best thing for Beth Holloway is to move on. And the best way that we can
> help her with that is to accept that JS can not be convicted for whatever
> happened to Natalee and forget about it too.

Given that currently there is no evidence in that case, I think the family
probably has moved on.  I don't think they would have initiated any action
except that they were contacted by Joran.

>> Perhaps.  He's a manipulator and a proven liar, that is for certain...
>> and now, with blood on his clothing, and Stephany Flores' money in his
>> pockets, he's soon to be a proven murderer.

> What I see is a case for manslaughter, but even if he gets convicted for
>murder, that is not proof that he is also responsible for the death of Natalee
> Holloway.

Could be, I'm not sure how Peruvian authorities will judge the case.  What
strikes me is the comment that the murder (or wrongful death, what have you..)
was considered to be 'cruel' in it's method.  How much that fact will play in
the judges decision is an unknown.  But you know, it won't matter what he is
charged with from what I've read.. a month, a year or several years, whatever..
in Castro Castro will be an eternity to Joran I think.

Take care,
Janis

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