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Skriven 2010-07-09 11:01:28 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 9000 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Extortion?
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08 Jul 10 23:14, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> Recorded in a hotel room in Aruba.

 RW>> OK...then:

 RW>> "I want to applaud the FBI's work on this case," said U.S. Attorney
 RW>> Joyce White Vance. "The FBI worked diligently, and in association
 RW>> with Aruban authorities, to investigate and gather evidence in this
 RW>> matter.
 RW>> ... Because of the agents' dedicated efforts, we are able to bring
 RW>> charges against someone who sought profit in a mother's grief."

 MvdV> Oddly enough, the Arubans refrain from confirming that. According
 MvdV> to what THEY say, the FBI undercover operation did not become known
 MvdV> until after JvdS was in custody in Peru.

They must tell the Dutch people that to save face in that they couldn't
figure out the Holloway 'disaperance' with the facts staring them in the
face.

 RW>> Apparently the recording was with the consent of the Aruban
 RW>> authorities, thus not illegal.

 MvdV> That is what Joyce White Vance says. But of course she does not
 MvdV> have the authority to speak on behalf of the Arubans.

That was verbatum from the indictment.

 MvdV> I do not believe for a minute this was with advance permission of
 MvdV> Aruba. They do not have much incentive to cooperate with the FBI.

[Aruban authorities]

"When this was reported to authorities, they were skeptical that any new
details would be obtained. However, they realized that once van der Sloot
accepted the money, he could be charged and extradited back to the U.S."

 MvdV> Given that the FBI never was very cooperative with them over this
 MvdV> case. When there was not enough evidence against JvdS, the Aruban
 MvdV> investigatoes wished to widen their investigation and interview an
 MvdV> ex boy friend of Natalee. The FBI refused all cooperation. A senior
 MvdV> Aruban police man used to term "obsruction" for the FBI attitude.

As the boy friend was never in Aruba until after her disaperance, there
was no need for the Arubans to interview him. Any information he could
have provided could have been obtained from the FBI.

 MvdV> Secondly, the method of law enforcement used by the FBI in that
 MvdV> hotel room in Aruba is illegal under Dutch law. The Aruban
 MvdV> authorities would never have given advance permission for it. That
 MvdV> would have blown any case that eventually could have come out if
 MvdV> it.

Since the whole idea was to extradite him to the US, the violation of
Dutch law wouldn't enter into it. With the cooperation of Aruban
authorities, that would have had no bearing.

 RW>>>>>> The crime was an offense commited on a US citizen by wire,

 MvdV>>>>> As I wrote before, in most countries the nationality of the
 MvdV>>>>> victim is irrelevant.

 RW>>>> Says a whole lot about victims rights, eh...

 MvdV>>> Your opinion is irrelevant.

 RW>> As it seems, so is yours. (see above)

 MvdV> Not at all, see above.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

 MvdV>>> The USA is alone in their position that the victim's
 MvdV>>> nationality is a determining factor for jurisdiction.

 RW>> LOL! Apparently not, according to the Aruban authorities with whom
 RW>> the FBI worked with in getting the evidence from/on Joran.

 MvdV> According to Joyce Vance. That is not an Aruban authority.

She represented their authority to be factual and is valid IMO.

 MvdV>>> Wrong. Extradition for an an alleged crime committed in another
 MvdV>>> country does not take precedence over the execution of the
 MvdV>>> crime that the subject is convicted for.

 RW>> Immaterial now! "When this (attempted extortion) was reported to
 RW>> (Aruban) authorities, they were skeptical that any new details would
 RW>> be obtained. However, they realized that once van der Sloot accepted
 RW>> the money, he could be charged and extradited back to the U.S."

 MvdV> Only in your mind.

See the quotes? " this content is a direct quote of someone else "

Stupid is as stupid claims, I always say.

 RW>> Kinda kills your arguement in favor of the murdering SOB going home
 RW>> anytime soon.

 MvdV> wait and see. I predict he will be in The Netherlands within five
 MvdV> years. Out of reach of US jurisdiction.

He may be in the US by next week. One prediction is as good as another.

 MvdV>>> If Peru and The Netherlands come to the agreement that Joran van
 MvdV>>> der Sloot can spend the remainder of his time in a Dutch prison,
 MvdV>>> that is what will happen, whether the US likes that or not.

 RW>> Keeping the info provided above in mind; are you sucker enough to
 RW>> bet that he'll ever make it back to Aruba or the Netherlands?

 MvdV> He owuld not be the first offender who was convicted in a foreign
 MvdV> country and who was allowed to do the time in jail in The
 MvdV> Netherlands.

 MvdV> The concept is probably unknown to you. Does not mean it does not
 MvdV> exist.

So you're willing to bet the farm?

                R\%/itt

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