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Skriven 2014-02-15 19:05:16 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 12434 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: The Danes
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 Brer Ward Dossche wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Re: The Danes:

 RW>WD>> What about the culling of 1,000 Buffalo in Yellowstone?

 RW>> Montana ranchers claim migrating bison infect their herds with
 RW>> brucellosis. Those buffalo that wonder off the National Park
 RW>> territory are subject to culling anyway. That's been going on for a
 RW>> long time.

 WD> That is what Montana ranchers have been saying for the 40+ years that
 WD> I've been there. Fact is there isn't a demonstrated case of migrating
 WD> bison infecting cattle.

Yet! Perhaps because they've been culled enough in the past to stop
anything from spreading. I know I certainly wouldn't want to eat cattle or
buffalo that is contaminated with desease. Kind like the cattle brain
desease that made all cattle in England? be led to slaughter and buried.

 WD> The Montana ranchers also don't complain about the herds of elk
 WD> roaming in and out of Yellowstone. They are the primary carriers of
 WD> brucelosis ...

They do, but there is an Elk season where they're open to all hunters.
Thus curtailing the spread. Also, all of those Elk have to go under test
before it leaves the state in which it is taken. That also happened to the
Mule Deer I took in Colorado, many years ago.

 RW>> Hint:, the park service is looking for the million dollars it would
 RW>> take to vaccinate that herd of buffalo.

 WD> You and I know it'll take more than that plus the Park Service will
 WD> never do that anyway.

They've said that they would, if they had the money to buy, what was it
referred to?, a Bio-shot of whatever is needed to stop that desease. IOW,
a shot of bio medicine introduced through a similar method used to put an
animal down for testing and a personal look-over.

 WD> Whenever there's an issue they'll let it continue as it's a natural
 WD> process.

That wouldn't be possible, because some Montana hot-shot will eventually
get the desease from eating rustled, baffalo.

 WD> Same as the 1981 (?) fires in Yellowstone which burned a substantial
 WD> portion. As long as it doesn't go outside park boundaries, nothing is
 WD> done to it.

This is a given, since we all know that burnt forest will return with less
weeds and bugs.

 WD> When that fire went to burn "outside" of the park, then the Forest
 WD> Service acted to protect state forests and commercial interests.

Of course.

 WD> The Yellowstone fire died when winter started and 8 feet of snow was
 WD> dumped on it.

So the saved a lot of money by monitoring the fire and let nature take its
course.

 WD> When we went there in 1982 it was total devastation, nature renewed
 WD> itself and 30 years later you have a young, green, healthy forest.
 WD> Pine beetles were killed by the millions as well.

Predicted so by yours truely, up there. ^

 RW>WD>> What about the killing of wolves in Montana, Idaho, Utah and
 RW>WD>> North Dakota?

 RW>> The European Union has exceptionally permitted Estonia, which has
 RW>> the highest wolf density in the EU, to continue wolf hunting as long
 RW>> as the overall numbers remain stable.

 WD> That may be so, but what about Montana, Idaho, Utah and North Dakota?

Wolves have no hunting season. One is being planned, but probably won't
take place. Instead the Feds will hire a number of hunters to cull their
packs and that will be that. Till the next time.

 WD> Outhere the last wolf was killed in te 1800's I think.

Out here being Belgium, I take it. Since there have been multiple wolf
kills in not only Estonia, but Norway too.

 WD>  Some years ago there was a total hype for weeks because someone
 WD> claimed a single animal had migrated all the way from Italy here ...
 WD> that'll be the day ...

Maybe it was an Italian wolf, trying to get home.

 RW>WD>> What about Columbine and every school shooting after it?

 RW>> Overly strict gun laws and too many nut-cases roaming the streets,
 RW>> while the state laws allow them to have firearms.  The Columbine
 RW>> shooters were crazier than all of the rest, but there were others
 RW>> deemed crazy too, like the shooter in AZ, CO lately and the nut-job
 RW>> in CT.

 WD> I'm interested in the sociological behaviour patterns why such
 WD> shootings occur so often in the US and not anywhere else.

They say that the Columbine shooters got their nerdyness from the
internet while playing roll-playing games. This was defined so because of
their dressing habits. i.e. black trench coats, etc., were part of the
game.

 WD>  Out here, whatever people claim, it isn't that difficult either to
 WD> get a fire-arm,

Sure it isn't.

 WD> yet such massive shootings don't occur.

They do, you just don't hear of them as often.

 WD> Perhaps with the exceptions of Dunblane and Breivik, but in neither
 WD> case this was a student.

So were those in Columbine, AZ, Newtown, etc.. BTW, none of whom had
reached the age required to own the firearms they used. They were stolen.

 WD> So I wonder, what goes on in the mind of such a kid. They're old
 WD> enough to understand it can only end one way.

Which is why they commit suicide if they're not killed by a cop.

 WD> Last Wednesday a 14yr old kid jumped under a train here in Belgium
 WD> commiting suicide. From material left behind it was determined he was
 WD> bullied at school and couldn't find a way out of his problems. For
 WD> crying-out loud ... at 14yr you don't even know what problems are
 WD> when you've lived in a sheltered home with a caring mam and dad.

We've seen that same scenario here. Nothing new, except that today's kids
can't take it. Dunno why as bullying was also prevelant in my teen days.

 RW>> We're open to suggestions on how you test nut-jobs for self
 RW>> destructive behavior looking for a way out of this world; Execution
 RW>> by Cop seems easy enough to accomplish...but when it comes down to
 RW>> it, the nut-cases are more comforatable offing themselves...

 WD> As I said, I think it must be possible to explain it in a
 WD> sociological context.

That is what we're doing. But you can't convince some people (usually
Democrats) who have an anti-gun agenda and won't be swayed from it.

 WD> What's different? The information-society? Television? Easy-access to
 WD> weaponry?

The laws of all states require that firearms be locked up to keep kids
from access. I for one, don't have that problem, unless the grandkids come
calling. If they're gonna be here a while, I'll lock them up for the
duration. Else, I keep loaded firearms stashed around the house in case of
trouble.

 WD> 4 weeks ago in New York (Manhattan) we passed 3 high-schools. All had
 WD> bullet-proof reinforced windows, uniformed security-guards with
 WD> visible side-arm and students had to go through an airport-security
 WD> style inspection with scanner and everything...

All because the people who've already shot up schools, came from
off-campus bringing their stolen firearms for that purpose.

 WD> It's unthinkable here ... so why is that necessary overthere to have
 WD> kids safe at school?

Because school officials and police remind them that only one person
carrying a firearm on campus to protect everyone else isn't enough. It is
now illegal for kids to point a finger at anyone and voice 'bang' or to
draw a firearm on a piece of paper while in school. Paranoia!

All of which I did as a 5/6th grader, not to mention that we took our guns
to school and kept them in the clothes hall for use after school, when we
went out to a stone quarry and played 'war'... None of them were even
under lock and key...


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