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  Kommentar till text 13050 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
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    Ä⢥⠭  á®®¡é¥­¨¥ Ward Dossche (2:292/854) ª Victor Smirnov, ­ ¯¨á ­­®¥ 24
Mar 14 ¢ 09:32:

 VS>> So. I don't asked about gasprom and oligarch's money, I'm Asked:
 VS>> Why all are scared by new russian union?
 WD> I don't think it is a matter of "scare".

 WD> The world now functions on "free trade" and "international
 WD> agreements", the best deterrent for armed conflicts.

 WD> Those "international agreements" however exclude what happened in the
 WD> Crimea, there are treaties that govern such things in order to keep
 WD> stability and keep the US$/Euro flowing.

 WD> By unilaterally going against such a signed and ratified global
 WD> agreement, Russia immediately casts a shadow on "all" the other
 WD> treaties.

 WD> What we really don't like however is that first a dependancy is
 WD> created on Russian gas, and then that dependancy is turned into a
 WD> weapon.

 WD> The real problem in Russia however is that its population is
 WD> unfamiliar with democracy. There has always been a despot, a tsar, a

    Putin bad, Merkel - is very good!! ohh
    Democraty in Germany, russian peole don't want this democraty!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi8Uxnantyo
    russian version:
http://www.russiapost.su/archives/12290
    Spain version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwciII_E_48

    Slogan: "Hamburg police dispers a rally by water-gun an tear-gas"

 WD> communist leader ... and I don't think the country is ready for

    Any country require a presentable leader, any!

 WD> free-thinking and really free-elections. The people still need
 WD> somekind of a leader that will throw hand-outs to the population.

    You meen Germany or Russia? In Russia all elect are more transparent such
as another contries, any citezen can request fuul info about last elections and
manualy calcalate all vote-lists.. IT's a nonsens! No anybody want do that
becouse it's very hard work recalculate 300K votelist in my region for example.

 WD> You will know you are really free when you will be allowed to make fun
 WD> of your president and not sent to jail for several years. Laughing

    Why, not... Here many political jokes made by many people and no one of
them in jail. :)) There you get this disinformation?

 WD> with the own political system and a diversified opposition is a
 WD> requirement ... you still don't have that ... people making fun and
 WD> opposition are jailed. Like in Africa.

    You must ask: who is in opposition? You need look free russian and free
american articles about this, not central US, EU press and not radical russian
and central press. Who is Nemtsov - is a thief, all people in Nizhny Novgorod -
it's more than 1 000 000 - are know its! Hi sold our plants: GAZ, Bor
glassworks, shipyards and more other. I live in NN then hi comes as mayor of
town, it was bad times, and hi try come to central russian goverment.
    I'm upset that he was not in prison for his crimes, his guilt was not
proven as wine and many others, but I hope that honesty courts will be restored
after the 90-th thieves in power and will be more likely to post on the bench.
    Hodorkovsky - no pay any taxes and our opposition create hero and
political-jailer from him - it not good idia, I meen.
    Navalny - I don't know who is Navalny, but then hi try come into MSK
political his opponents give to police more compromising material that was need
to sent him to jail, now he is under house arrest.
    In opposition now we have our leaders and party from 90-th and more that
80% russian peole meen that this peole want try get more money from russian
fonds and people. They are already failed as politics but we don't have any
new.

 WD> One of the main main problems of your society is that there is a
 WD> middle-income layer missing which we have in most countries in the
 WD> west.

    You need come to Russia for a week as tourist, I can show you how live
people in Vladimir. :)
    I can buy apartment up to $100000 with out credit by cash, and I considired
poor. Be Midle-income peole in russia meen that you can buy a new car (near
$100000) every 1-2 year by debt without credit. That is middle income: incom
our top menager (in Vladimir) near $200000 per month, in goverment - near $2000
p/m, workers near $1000, small business - up to $10000 p/m, business up to
$1M!! But many poor people with income lower than $300p/m.

 VS>> World remembers that rusky single people is not so easy to defame.
 WD> There is not a single Rusky people.
 VS>> Heh, I want belive, that is it... but money control the world, but
 VS>> you must know Russia is not USA, we re not interested to join new
 VS>> territory becouse it has deposits of oil or gas, or any one of
 VS>> lot's fossils.
 WD> Wait until you run out ... that could be a long time ... of course.

    The War after?

 VS>> No secret that the third world is a long time, our government is
 VS>> doing everything to keep out of NATO in Ukraine, to keep the fleet
 VS>> in the Black Sea.

 WD> That Black Sea fleet ... I don't think it is really worth the trouble
 WD> ... in order to exit it must clear the Bosphorus, that is so easy
 WD> blocked. I don't think the Black Sea port was a main incentive, just
 WD> "nice to have".

    :)) Geo! Russia have 4 fleets: Blacksea-fleet, North-fleet, North-west
fleet and east-fleet. In Black sea we have small fleet: rocket corvets,
cruisers and launches. They can control and protect russian seaside. No any
american big aircraft carrier can get to black sea by Bosfor and our ships not
need to get out from black sea.

 VS>> Now I observe: before REFERENDUM, Creamea citizens are creted all
 VS>> goverment with Aksenov as head-meneger, they are provide order in
 VS>> region and detach from Ucraine. It was not an easy decision, and
 VS>> we have to accept, understand and respect.

 WD> Well, I do not understand the issues. It's too far from here and I do
 WD> not trust any of the media-companies to provide me with correct
 WD> information.
 WD> International treaties have been violated, so much is certain.
 WD> But the people have spoken as well, so much is certain too.

    Yes, here is many contradictory information; MassMedia work very hard and
sometimes I think, what they are try to scared US citizen by "redalert". I have
relatives in Ukraine: Kiev-Brovary and Crimea/South seaside - Sudak/Morskoe,
they are ready to fight against the separatrices in Kiev, I believe them.

 WD> I'm not saying I don't care, but is it all worth it to destabilize a
 WD> large portion of the world? It escapes me though why a group of people
 WD> want to return under a corrupt government, use a highly dysfunctional
 WD> currency which cannot be used as legal tender anywhere in the world
 WD> ... when your government tells you what you currency is worth while
 WD> the rest of the world ignores it, you are in trouble.

    Hm, here I can ask too: why the US does not recognize our currency
convertible worldwide? Why NATO placed rokets in Poland? - it's a war economic
and mind-control by MM, new battle in coold war.


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