Text 14383, 86 rader
Skriven 2014-04-12 09:34:48 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 14379 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.71)
Ärende: JoHo
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Hello mark,

On Friday April 11 2014 23:22, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>> You brought up those "other reasons".

 ml> all i said was that the original denigration given was wrong and that
 ml> there were other reasons...

And you really expect me to just take your word for that?

 MvdV>> No point in mentioning them if you were not going to tell WHAT
 MvdV>> they are.

 ml> bullshit... it doesn't matter what those other reasons were... only
 ml> that they exist

Problem is that I only have your word for it that those reasons exist. Another
problem is that even if yiou convince me that other reasons exist, I can't
judge if theye are relevant if I do not know what they are.

 ml> and they are not denigrating as the OP wrote in their post...

Who says they are denigrating? Who says they are not?

 MvdV>> Also: "correcting" someone by merely telling him he is wrong
 MvdV>> and nothing else, has no informative value for anyone. It is
 MvdV>> just noise. Might as well shut up...

 ml> whatever... you might take your own medicine, too... it is none of
 ml> your business or anyone elses unless "you" were involved...

By posting in a public forum it "involves" averyone contributing to that forum.
If you do not want others to get "involved" you should have handled t in
private mail.

 ml> i was because i was part of the beta team...

And so you know everyting?

 ml>  there were others, too, who were told some of the reasons... outside
 ml> of that, when folks run their mouths just spewing shit because they
 ml> can and trying to put others down... well, it ain't right and if
 ml> someone who does know can speak up and say that the statements are
 ml> wrong, that's better than nothing...

It is no good when you ask the audiance to just take your word for it, instead
of that of the other.

 ml> i would stand up for you in the same way if someone came up talking
 ml> crap about you and why you did something that you may have done...
 ml> especially if i knew why you did it and the reason given by others was
 ml> pure crap... it doesn't mean that i would tell others what your reason
 ml> was... only that i would tell them that they were wrong...

What good would that do?

 ml> that's like richard webb (nf5b) and his leaving fidonet...

He left? Hadn't noticed...

 ml> i know exactly why he left fidonet...

So you say. But all I have is your word for it.

 ml>  it is not my place to tell others why... if someone were to go about
 ml> telling others untruths as to why, i would correct them by stating, in
 ml> the same public forum where they made their false statements, that
 ml> they were wrong...

It is no good if you won't tell any more than just that, because then you are
asking that you are believed on your word.

As you should know by now, I am not in the believing bussines.

 ml>  if someone wants to know why, they should ask and not go making up
 ml> stories and lies...

How do I know that it is not the other way around? You accuse Ward of telling
lies. Why should I take your word over that of Ward?


Cheers, Michiel

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