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Skriven 2012-07-28 23:25:14 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
     Kommentar till en text av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Ward's Z1 node number
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Hello Michiel,

>It was Ward's own idea.

That's true - and he can't even accomplish that simple feat.  You and others
though did not discourage him.

> I, nor anyone else here, did "push" him to apply for a
> Z1 node number while in Montana.

Hmm.. lemme check my correspondences from web friends:

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WD> Maybe I should now have a node number in Z1 applications ... and given
WD> the only node in Montana would also suddenly RC status requests?
I would definitely do it! Displays hours of fun! To see them squirm why that
was not a good idea ... ;)
I would initially have a transparent pseudonym for a little more doubt and
confusion.
==================

haha! Funny guy :)

Granted this was not YOUR reply, but you did reply to the above post according
to web friends:

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WD >> seen the only node in Montana would also suddenly RC status
WD >> applications?
Chorus
[...]
> writhing why that was not a good idea ... ;)
Beautiful!
============

Shall I show more?

>Is it not in the job
>description of every *C to promote the growth of the network? Should we not al
> be happy when a new node is added to the nodelist? Should we not encourage
> every new potential sysop to join the network?

Give me a break.  If Ward _moves_ to the US, no problem and you know it.
Several sysops have moved here and joined Zone 1.   Ward is not
ADDED to the nodelist in this case, he's already there :)  But say Bob agrees
to list him.. the man has to get an application in.

>>> But now that - by bringing it up - you admit knowing about Ward's
>>> application for a Z1 node number for the Fidonet system he has been
>>> running in Montana for well over a month now: why does it take so long?

Because Ward is a silly goose? :)

>>> Montana is in Z1, so he shoul have a number in Z1 for that system. Why
>>> has his application for a node number not been honoured yet?

1 - He's got a node number.  2 - He doesn't live in Montana.  3 - Perhaps he
doesn't even know how to submit an application... because Bob Seaborn told me
to tell you:

"mikey- Ward has NOT applied for a z1 aka, he simply inquired on how to go
about it.  He was told how, and as of right now, no application has been
received."

>>> Assigning a node number and entering it in the nodelist isn't rocket
>>> science i it?

>Auw, c'mon... you don't really want to make us believe that Ward with well ove
>two decades of FidoNet experience is unable to pass the application procedure?

Exactly.

>> or it could be that given Ward's recent actions re: the nodelist in
>> Zone 1 and Zone 3, he's now considered a troublemaker that no one
>> wants in their net;

>The requirement for joining Fidonet is to have an FTN compatible mailer on-lin
>that can send and receive netmail at least during ZMH. Nowhere does it say tha
>"to be considered a trouble maker" is cause for denying a node number.


10.3  Case Histories
Case histories of past disputes are instructive to show general procedures and
methods.  Any decision may be included in this document by a majority vote of
either the Zone Coordinator Council or the Regional Coordinators.

Policy4 significantly changes the functions of the Zone and International
Coordinators.  In the following cases which were decided using Policy3,
substitute "Zone Coordinator" for all occurrences of "International Coordina-
tor(*)".
[...]
10.3.6  The Case of the Sysop Twit

A patron of various local nodes had been roundly recognized by all sysops as a
twit.  The user obtained his own system, became a sysop, and applied for a node
number.  The Network Coordinator denied the request.  No appeals were made.

> Fidonet
> is and was always full of trouble makers. *Cs have been fired for refusing to
> accept e node "because he is considered a trouble maker".

He has a node number, your argument just fell apart.  If he _can_ get his
application in, RC17 will consider his application.  I have NOT told Bob or any
*C not to process his application.

> Suppose xxxCarol were to come to The Netherlands. For example to be stationed
>at the Navy yard in Den Helder.

i.e., she moved there.

> Suppose she applied or a node number in net 28
> and I refused on the ground that she is considered a trouble maker. Would you
> accept that?

If the proof was there (and it is present here), I would consider the NC's or
RC's case.  Wouldn't you?  she certainly would not have three nodenumbers :)

> I do not believe you do not know exactly what the reason for the delay is.

I do now.  I checked with Bob Seaborn.

Take care,
Janis

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