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 TR> Hey...here's something right up your alley!


 TR> You know that democrat KKK leader who just shot up some Jewish centers
 TR> in Kansas City? You know...Anthony Weiner's buddy?


 BM>Oh, now he's a democrat?? Well, he was in 1984 but the Dems threw him out
 BM>on his ass.  In 1986 he ran for the NC GOP Senate seat.  So what's your
 BM>point?


 TR> And he didn't do any better there, either. So what's YOUR point?


 BM>My point was to expose you and your rhetoric.


 TR> The only thing you've been able to `expose' is your own ass! Your pants
 TR> fell down again!

 BM>Oh, because you didn't include he was also a republican and I called you
 BM>out on it is my fault?  Being you knew he was both, why didn't you say
 BM>that to begin with?  That's the basis of your pomposity when you deal with
 BM>issues.  You leave out very important parts to fit your needs. Again,


 TR> This is a hoot!

A hoot? Seems like I've painted a very specific picture of you Tim.  If some
other reader didn't happen to know who we were talking about they would have
walked away thinking the killer was just a democrat.  My point was by exposing
your lack of full disclosure it will give the average reader a better picture
on what was being discussed, rather than a one sided political rant.  No matter
what he was, we can both agree he's a discusting murderous animal. 

 BM>ASSume your own failings.


 TR> He went to the *democrats* first! Not
 TR> surprising, since the *democrats* were the ones who held them as
 TR> slaves, and after the Civil War, held them down as best they could. It
 TR> was the democrats who started the KKK to begin with! And all those
 TR> big-name racists in the south were *democrats*.


 BM>LOL.... you sound like a kid who just got caught with his hands in the
 BM>cookie jar... screaming, but Roy took one first!!


 TR> And you come across as a leftist trying to gin up a `nothing sandwich'.
 TR> While ignoring that all the racist types are *democrats*.


Better change ARE to Were then you've got a point.  But as I said, the parties
over the past 50-60 years have done a 180 when it comes to dealing with issues
involving race.  

 TR> Nice try at a distraction. But the fact is that its *your* bunch who
 TR> are not only racist, but are the worst enemies the blacks had in this
 TR> country, and still are.

Brietbart and FauxEntertainment's views which you buy into hook, line and
sinker.

 TR> And `you' appear to be attempting to gin up a `the sky is falling' type
 TR> of controversy that doesn't exist!

It's not falling... as most can see right through the GOP stand when it comes
to inherent racism in their party.  Not saying it's not in all, but it seems
the GOP is ever expanding it's racist views and their targets are normally the
lower income, uneducated whites... such as the defendant Frazier Glenn Cross. 

 BM>Sure it did.. got a rise out of you.


 TR> There wasn't any `rise'. What you got is a `nothing' sandwich and
 TR> you're looking for some mayo.

Sure there was... 

 BM>You speak of things that happened over 100 years ago.


 TR> A hundred years ago? Much of the real violence and murdering of black
 TR> civil rights demonstrators, and the standing in the doorways of schools
 TR> by white democrats to block integration, took place right in my
 TR> lifetime!


 BM>I was talking about slaves. Actually I should have said 150 years ago.  My
 BM>apologies.


 TR> So was I. In fact....most of them still are slaves. To the government!
 TR> They live on the government's plantation now, instead of the
 TR> plantations they lived on back before the civil war.

Aren't we all?

 TR> The only diffeence between now and then is, on the government's
 TR> plantation they don't have to pick cotton. Just vote the right way.

And if the GOP was driving the train, we'd all be back picking cotton.

 BM>How about we talk
 BM>about from 1944 on when the Klan reorganized after the depression.


 TR> Yeah...lets.


 TR> Lets see....in the early 1940's an obscure individual named Bob Byrd,
 TR> who was a butcher at the time, recruited 150 individuals, charged each
 TR> of them $13 (a ten dollar joining fee, and three dollars for the robes
 TR> and hood), and the `grand dragon' for that area came down there to Crab
 TR> Orchard, and officially organized the chapter.


 TR> That `official' was Joel Baskin, a democrat!


 TR> At his urging, Byrd went into politics....as a democrat!


 TR> Byrd had other titles as well; "kleagle" (recruiter), exalted cyclops
 TR> (top officer in the local kaln unit).


 TR> Or Strom Thurmond. Thurmond was a staunch democrat who led some of the
 TR> most infamous acts of white suppression of the modern day civil rights
 TR> movement in the history of the movement.


 BM>Didn't Strom convert to the Republican party in 1964 due to the Civil
 BM>Rights Act?


 TR> Yeah...they always do something like that to `clean up their act'.
 TR> Sort of like a certain republican from Pennsylvania jumping from
 TR> republican to democrat because the republicans finally got sick of his
 TR> wishy-washy ways of voting in Congress...and then jumping from democrat
 TR> to independent when even the democrats wouldn't put up with him!

 TR> Thurmond saw which side of his bread the butter was going to be on, and
 TR> acted accordingly.

Clean up there act? That's funny.  They're racist while a democrat but once
they join the GOP... POOF... they're angels!! 

 TR> George Wallace. Wallace was a democrat who was one of the most racist,
 TR> obstructionist foes of equal rights for blacks.


 BM>Didn't Wallace also leave the Dems when he ran for president all over
 BM>desegragation? You see, when the Dems saw the error of their ways, the GOP
 BM>gladly stepped up to the plate and resume the racism with a smile on their
 BM>face.  Party lines have changed and you can't dispute that.

 BM>Case in point, look at the 1954 GOP platform.  If anyone in the GOP was to
 BM>stroll that out before GOP masses in today's world, they'd most likely
 BM>shoot them.

 BM>Shall
 BM>we discuss their ties to the neo-nazi (I know, I've just opened a can of
 BM>worms here... but who cares) and then in the 1970's when right wing
 BM>extremists decided to jump into the insanity.


 TR> If you're talking about the southern democrats who fought the civil
 TR> rights movement, you have a point. Surely `segregating' blacks by the
 TR> southern democrat racists, could be compared to the Nazis seperating
 TR> the Jews from `arians'.


 BM>I was talking about the 70's not during the 60's when you were absolutley
 BM>correct.


 TR> So...you admit the democrats know when its time to `go with the wind',
 TR> and change their `angle of attack'.

It's politics... they all do it.  Depends on which way they've decided to use
the wind to steer the ship.  If trying to create a society where all can live
in relative peaceful harmony is not your cup of tea, then you have every right
to vote for the GOP.  I'm sure you do.

 BM>Wasn't a southern democrat the one who signed the civil rights act.


 TR> If you're talking about Lyndon Johnson...Johnson was an
 TR> easily-manipulated politician who `went with the flow'. He `tested the
 TR> wind' before he ever did anything of a significant nature. He signed it
 TR> because he pretty much HAD to, or else give the democrat party a
 TR> permanent black eye!


 BM>Oh?  I disagree about him being easily manupulated when it came to civil
 BM>rights.  He played the game very well.


 TR> He was another one who `went with the flow'. He knew when it was time
 TR> to jump ship.

LBJ jumped ship?  

 BM>Vietnam is a different story. He
 BM>was a typical politician when it came to filling his pockets with Bell
 BM>Helicopter profits.


 BM>But I will admit Howard Smith
 BM>was a racist SOB and he bit the bullet after he knew his rediculous views
 BM>would make him a laughing stock.


 TR> Or how about Richard Cohen? That overtly heavy-handed revisionist of
 TR> history?


 BM>The Washington Post writer?

You never answered me... are you talking about the Washington Post writer?


 TR> Is he where you get your info on this?


 TR> You know...I looked up Thurmond and Byrd...and a few others...and you
 TR> really have to DIG DEEP to get the information tht they were
 TR> *democrtats* who strongly resisted the civil rights movement.


 BM>I never mentioned either of those two but I'm sure I could dig up others
 BM>who were as much of an ass as those two.  The funny thing is that Thurmond
 BM>saw the rift in the Democratic party and saw the GOP picking up the racist
 BM>flag so he ran with it.


 TR> Its been tried over the years to paint the GOP as racist, and many
 TR> deep-seated racist types switching from the democrat party to the
 TR> republican side is pointed to as having changed the GOP into racists.
 TR> Thats just as false as any other would-be revision of history the
 TR> democrat leftists have attempted.

Oh, let's see... wonder what party Bundy aligns his views with?  

 BM>You see, things change Tim.  You have to stop living in the past and
 BM>thinking what was should be the status quo today.


 TR> Yeah....won't do for people like you to be reminded who the REAL badies
 TR> were in regard to civil rights, would it?


 BM>Oh I agree there were badies, but who's picked up the slack from those
 BM>"bad Dems"?


 BM>Even your darling out in Vegas is loosing his appeal and the GOP is
 BM>running away from him like he was radioactive.  To top it all, Hannity is
 BM>leading the retreat.  Funny how he praised Bloomsburg Seach and Frisk
 BM>policy saying no one is above the law and the police need this measure to
 BM>enforce the LAW.  Guess that same policy doesn't apply to some rancher who
 BM>owes over a million bucks because he doesn't beleive in the Federal
 BM>Government.  Go back and do some research on the Whiskey Rebellion Tim.
 BM>See what Bundy's hero George Washington did back then. He was one of the
 BM>Founding Fathers was he not?  Those "good ole' boys" are lucky. All that
 BM>was needed was one of those drunken idiots fire a shot in the air and
 BM>they'd be burying those so called "patriots".


 TR> If you're refering to Bundy, I'm not `for' nor `against' him. I think
 TR> there's a lot more to that than most of the nation just reading
 TR> newspapers or catching it on news broadcasts, are aware of.


 BM>Oh, that he's been fighting paying his land grazing fees because he
 BM>doesn't believe in the Federal Government anymore?  That every court in
 BM>the last 20 years has ruled against him?


 TR> Would those be `federal' courts?

The same courts that uphold the Constitution... problem with that?

 BM>That he had a few 100 armed
 BM>"cowboys" who were screaming and getting in the face of the BLM officers
 BM>when they were peforming their jobs?


 TR> I saw a lot of video footage on that standoff, and I didn't see any
 TR> "cowboys" do any screaming or getting in anyone's face!

Must have missed when they rode under the overpass towards the BLM officers at
the gate then.  Please keep up. 

 TR> I *DID* see BLM people do a `take-down' of one of Bundy's sons without
 TR> that individual having done anything of a violent or threatening
 TR> nature.

And if someone got in your face and were screaming for following court orders
regarding the removal of the cows off federal land? Which btw belongs to me and
you and every citizen of the US. He didn't have my approval to graze his cows
there expecially without paying the fees.

 TR> And I *DID* see there were a few verbal exchanges between the people
 TR> who arrived to stand with the Bundy family, and BLM or whatever federal
 TR> LEO's were present.


 BM>Those same cowboys who had snipers
 BM>sitting on overpasses looking down on the confrontation?


 TR> Oh and lets not forget the *snipers* the federal LEO's had on THEIR
 TR> side. Not to mention the MILLIONS of rounds the various federal
 TR> agencies have been amassing for a couple of years, now. Nor let us not
 TR> forget that the government rangers who were rounding up Bundy's cattle
 TR> were heavily armed.

Were those federal agents not authorized by the courts to be there?  You still
have yet to comment on the Whiskey Rebellion point I brought up... you know,
the one where Washington set precidence in a case such as this.

 TR> Not only that...as everyone know...federal LEO's are typically armed
 TR> with fully automatic weapons, which the civilian group would NOT have
 TR> been. And, federal LEO's also have both light and heavy machine guns
 TR> available to them, which the civilians do not. Not to mention that the
 TR> federal LEO's have pretty much an endless supply of logistics available
 TR> to them, where the civilians were limited to the area they occupied
 TR> during the standoff, whatever `logistics' they brought with them at the
 TR> time, and the actual number of their people present at the scene of the
 TR> swtandoff.

So you'd bring a knife to a gun fight?  Smart move...

 TR> The federal LEO's could replace casualties limitlessly, the Bundy group
 TR> could not. Had any violence involving a fire-fight erupted, the area
 TR> would have quickly been closed off to any access to more outsiders, and
 TR> all routes of re -supply to the Bundy group heavily guarded and sealed
 TR> off.

So what you're saying they were idiots for putting themselves in that position?


 TR> BMThat ALL of those
 BM>belonging to the tea party and the FauxEntertainment people were praising
 BM>him for breaking the law then as soon as he exposed his racist views, they
 BM>all ran and stuck their heads in the sand. That there was precidence for
 BM>the Federal Government to go in a squash this so called "freedom rally"?
 BM>Again, another one hit wonder sent to slaughter by the GOP's mouthpiece.


 TR> To me that seperated the men from the boys.

Guess Bundy's latest statments has the boys running for the hills.

 TR> That very turning away from Bundy, without first waiting to see `the
 TR> other shoe drop' on the story (which it did), revealed much about some
 TR> people on the conservative side.

Jumping to conclusions before knowing facts is synonymous with most right wing
news groups... 

 TR> It might interest you to know that I was already against some of them
 TR> for reasons that had nothing whatever to do with the Bundy incident.

Good for you... I'm proud of you...

 TR> Personally, I'm hoping that a few of them never get much higher in
 TR> national politics than they already are.

Your mouth to God's ears... 

Have a good one..


Bill

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