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Skriven 2014-05-23 16:35:53 av John Guillory (102.mlfidonews)
  Kommentar till text 15527 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: Voting (new voting sytem
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  Re: Voting (new voting sytem
  By: Roy Witt to Kf5qeo on Fri May 23 2014 12:27 pm

 RW> I wouldn't know, as the software I'm using knows where everything goes.
     Stay away from Mystic then!

 RW> I do too, but there was a tradition that stopped with his election as
 RW> RC...And as a R18 resident of Mississippi, he should be willing to step
 RW> aside.
     Marc's in Alabama, but I think that's Region 18 as well...


 RW> I have no problems with Marc, he's more than once bailed me out by helping
 RW> to build net387 back to at least being again, after it was killed by Matt
 RW> Bedynek.
     I have no problems being moved to R18, and I'm sure Marc wouldn't mind
     being moved to R18 either.  As I said, I really didn't even notice that
     I was in the wrong region until earlier this month or so.  But then again
     I really don't think it was my responsibility alone to know that I was
     in the wrong region.  I could always request to be re-located to region
     18.  Let's see.  I could talk to my NC about it, but he should be in
     R18 as well.  I could ask the R19 to talk to the R18 and find the 
     appropriate net.  But then again... My NC is the RC.  I guess I could
     ask the R18 coordinator what he thinks about the situation.  But, 
     if the ZC wants marc to be RC19, I suppose he'd inform RC18 that he
     wants things to stay the same.  Under the circumstances, if the Z1C
     wants marc as a RC19, then I'm pretty sure he'd want me to stay in
     Net396 out of fear that moving me would cause marc to move in an
     in-direct fashion.  Though I do appreciate a little discovery on why
     the situation is approached as is... 


 RW> Matt.
     That name sounds a bit familiar ... Might be who I was thinking of...

 RW> Still, you and Marc live in R18, thus the net number should reflect that
 RW> and the RC18 asked to include it in his region.
     Maybe I should contact him.  Still.... I don't want Marc to get upset
     with me for wanting to transfer...    

 RW> It matters to a lot of R19 sysops, because we don't have a RC to represent
 RW> what R19 as a whole wants.
     There once was a stir about not having elections in a while, and Marc
     held a NetCoord election.  I believe he stayed in... He seemed willing
     to have an election any time someone believed there needed to be one.   
     Perhaps if Marc was to not win the election again, then the ZC would
     prefer him to move to R18, where he could then have a shot of being 
     the RC18?  But then again, what if there is an election and he wins?
     And this brings up some serious questions on the legality of the election.
     I'd have to read up on the old documents about how this is handled....
     In the region election, Marc's a NC, so technically he gets a vote, but
     is he allowed to vote for his self as a RC?  Seems he could skew the
     ballet box a bit by electing his self....  Then there's the question
     of who counts the ballets, etc. If it'd be me, in order to prove all
     fairness, I'd go leaps and bound beyond by ensuring the person counting
     the ballets was in no way effected by the results.  Eg. if I was a NC
     and I held an election, I'd contact someone outside the net, perhaps
     in another region to have all the sysop's send their votes to, and 
     allow that person to post the results.  This way, no one could say
     the election was rigged!  I used to be a NC, and in other nets was 
     a useless NC/RC and such... I say useless because SysopTechNet has
     many 1-person Nets and regions.  And another net I was in, I was 
     the NC, but rather than forward the app to me to set them up, 
     RC would forward everything to me to add to the list, then tell me
     he already added it, so basically I did nothing there... My time as
     a NC in fidonet ages ago was not much more than just configuring 
     makenl to pretty much send the nodelist segment to the RC.  I never
     got any new request, or changes, etc.  So wasn't much maintenance there.
     

 RW> LOL! I hear that! i.e. a ZC shouldn't be involved in distributing
 RW> echomail, but there's an exception to the rule, for the zone admin.

 RW> If Starr had a RC who knew how to handle that problem, the net wouldn't
 RW> have gone away. OTH, Marc maintained my listing when a problem was found
 RW> in one of my netsegs and he used an old one kept as a backup.
     Sounds good... I suppose a batch file could be made to setup a safe   
    keeping of things...

 RW> Well, I'm not that loose with my politics. If you're not doing the job I
 RW> would prefer you do, then you're outta here. I wish it were that easy to
 RW> dump the dumbass in the WH today.
     So you have no problem dumping the entire senate and house of
represenatives?

 RW> Well, we do have that now. We have people stompin' their feet to drop Z4
 RW> out of the nodelist, because they don't seem to understand Spanish when
 RW> they speak perfectly good Porteguese. Not to mention that they're English
 RW> is as broken as Fidel Castros.
     I used to work with some Jamacians... I had a phone plan that allowed
    free longdistance to Jamaica..  I had them call me up on the phone, I'd
    go 3-way and call their parents in Jamaica... Every so often, I'd listen
    and if they wasn't talking, I'd hang up the phone.  One day, I picked
    up and could swear every other word they said was the F word!  I thought
    she must have been upset beyond belief at who she was talking to. 
    That was her husband, and she was speaking what she called 'broken english'
    
 RW> No more Z5 or Z6, no more IC because he turned into a nut job and was
 RW> deposed by the gang of ZCs, aka the ZCC. That last C stands for Council.
     Yup, gone is the 'ozone', and now the z5... 

 RW> I'm all for that.

 Kq>> Planet:Continent::State/County::City:Street/Address:bbsnumber
 RW> Nahhhh. Zone,Region,and Net is good enough. The shorter the better.
 RW> Too damned complicated.
     Intentionally over-board...

 RW> That sounds like our former IC...he made his own policy and when that
 RW> didn't work, he re-wrote it again.
     Yeah, I remember basically how he got in, how he was not wanted, etc.
     I know that as far as Z1 was concerned, he was out, and they assumed
     someone else was IC.  Z2 assumed he was God and emperor of IC.  
     As far as Z2 was concerned no one else's opinion mattered anyway.
     You know, I'd venture to say Z2 could be cleared out quickly if enough
     policy complaints where filed and enough complaints the the Z2C where
     filed to force the NC's of various nets in Z2 and RC's in z2 to do
     their job and ensure the nodes played by the rules...  Granted, I've
     not had a reason to file a complaint with any Z2 node yet, but I do
     know that China is notoriously known for trying to hack Synchronet BBS's
     and linux systems!  I think next time I detect one hacking my system,
     I'm going to search the nodelist for their domain name and see if 
     it's a Z2 BBS.  If so, file a complaint with the NC for trying to 
     cause harm to another BBS!  Enough of that and I'm sure that Z2 won't
     be able to claim they're the biggest segment any more.
     I get the impression China's a lot like a third world country or so.
     So far behind on times, despite the fact that they're a large supplier
     of electronics, the people that live there don't have the money for the
     products they export.  That's why they have such a huge segment.  They're
     just discovering what a computer is and how BBS's work.... 


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