Text 17060, 360 rader
Skriven 2014-07-26 12:37:00 av Bill McGarrity (9343.2fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 17037 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
Ärende: Re: More shite...
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-=> On 07-25-14 23:28, TIM RICHARDSON wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-

 TR> On 07-23-14, BILL MCGARRITY said to TIM RICHARDSON:

 BM>Re: Shits and Grins
 BM>By: TIM RICHARDSON to BILL MCGARRITY on Tue Jul 22 2014 21:15:00

 TR> On 07-21-14, BILL MCGARRITY said to TIM RICHARDSON:

 TR> There wasn't any answer. Why feed fodder into a pig pen that
 TR> only invites more hate?


 BM>Sure there's an answer, every question has an answer but the problem you
 BM>have in answering me is your shite you're throwing around about Ball being
 BM>a prominent climatologist just doesn't pass the litmus test when compared
 BM>to Jason Box.



 TR> Firstly...Ball is a `geologist' who was actively studying *historic*
 TR> climatology...as (although you deliberately ignore the fact) `climate'
 TR> is also tied up with `geology in many ways.


Again, no mention of Jason Box.  What Ball says he is and what he really is are
two different stories. 


 TR> Secondly, it isn't hard to understand Phil Jones's efforts to conceal
 TR> various e-mails and data detrimental to his `global warming' hulla-
 TR> baloo, when you stop and realize his and many other's salaries and
 TR> golden retirement packages are on the line if what they're putting out
 TR> is shown to be the scam

Stop with the nonsense about money.  Can you give a rebuttal to the work that
Jason Box has been doing proving your "knight in shining armor" wrong on all
accounts?


 TR> Question:


 TR> How come Mann (of `hockey-stick graph fame (or should I say `infamy?))
 TR> wouldn't release his `data' and the `math' he used to come up with
 TR> the data that was the subject of the court case he instituted against
 TR> Timothy Ball?

Who knows and who cares.  Maybe Ball's lawyers offered Mann an offer he
couldn't refuse. 

 TR> Those are the favorite tactics of leftist global warmists in general
 TR> and leftists like you in particular.

Back on subject Tim... show me proof that Jason Box's findings are wrong?


 BM>Oh, tactics?  By presenting a well know and ACCEPTED scholar in the field
 BM>of climatology that refutes all your shite.


 TR> You disparage a man who has more experience and study in the field of
 TR> geological climate history,

When he basis his thesis on weather reports consisting of air temperature
readings taken by housewives so they can dress their kids properly that
particular day... wouldn't you? But then again, he's your main man when it
comes to climatalogy... LOL!!

 BM>You're certainly smoking something out there.


 TR> and instead of countering what I posted with some *facts*, or at
 TR> least some intelligent counter points....you go right to insults
 TR> and false accusations.

Not an insult... it's legal in California now... medicinally of course.

 TR> BTW....don't know what it is where *you* live, but in order to hold
 TR> the commercial license I have I am required to submit to random drug
 TR> testing on a regular basis. Part of that test is for marajuana use.

I've had a CDL since the early 70's along with owning two Kenworths so I know
what went on back then when it came to pharmaceuticals.  Being you're the age
you are I doubt you'd pass a DOT physical anyway.  So that's moot.


 BM>Hey, did ya take a walk down to the marijuana shop
 BM>this morning and fire up a few bowls before you logged on.


 TR> And I have made mention of that fact many times here in Fido, so you
 TR> already *know* your accusation is a lie.

Lie?  How do we know.  Have you shown us proof of bloodwork denying the fact? 


 TR> Which makes you not only a liar, but a `stupid' one at that.


Careful Tim... who's throwing the insults now...

 TR> Anyone who disagrees with you, or counters your mis-information, is
 TR> immediately targeted for ridicule. You whine, insult, disparage, anything
 TR> you can think of to throw dust in the air to cover up your ignorance on a
 TR> subject, to try to save face.

I asked you to supply rebuttal information with regard to Jason Box.  You
haven't and you can't because all of his findings have been spot on which takes
your's and Ball's findings and puts them to shame.

 BM>You can disagree, I have no issue with that but when your choice of
 BM>"scientist?" you use to prove your point has been outed as a fraud by well
 BM>over 93% of the scientists in that field..


 TR> `Well over 93% of the scientists in that field' who have salaries,
 TR> funds from some government agency (make that read `taxpayers'), and
 TR> have a huge stake in their position not being exposed as a deliberate
 TR> fraud?

Let me know when the University of Winnepeg refuses funding from the Canadian
government.  BTW, isn't that who Ball worked for? Guess he cashed in as well.

 TR> Not exactly un-biased opinions, McGarrity.

LOL... your ASSumptions are typical Richardson... ;)

 BM> I'd say you don't have  leg to stand on.


 TR> Well....why do the `global warming' need to disparage, insult, make
 TR> threats to publishers to keep any material from those who are on
 TR> the opposite from being published?

Hey, where is your proof against Jason Box's findings?  


 TR> If what they claim is so `right'. So `settled'. Why are they afraid
 TR> to allow any material that counters their position to even be
 TR> published?

They allow it... but as a scientist they are up for peer review and as such,
93% of his colleagues think he's a fraud.  

 TR> When Gore is asked straight, informative questions about the legitimacy
 TR> of his claims...why does he explode in red-faced anger, and stalk off
 TR> the stage?

Jason Box hasn't... that's my point.  Now show me rebuttal of his findings and
stop bring up the past.  

 TR> If its so real...so `settled'....why is everybody who is a proponent
 TR> of it afraid to answer deep questions about it?

Jason Box isn't.  

 TR> `Real' scientists calmly and lucidly sat down together and discussed
 TR> the entire subject together without rancor or red-faced anger (the
 TR> debates between Neils Bohr and Albert Einstein were famous).

Good for them... that was 60 years ago... 

 TR> Why all the rancor? Why all the secrecy? Why call for each other to
 TR> `delete' e-mails, supress information, conceal conversations?

Here comes the conspiracy angle!!! This should be interesting...


 TR> If its so real...there'd be no need for such actions.


 TR> But...if there's something to hide....if huge amounts of taxpayer
 TR> funds will shrink or disappear altogether....well, then all this
 TR> duplicity and deleting of materials is understandable.


 TR> Even you cannot carry on a sensible, non-insulting conversation
 TR> on the subject.

Oh, who was insulting above Tim?  Guess thatlipped your mind.  Now, where is
your input on Jason Box. 


 BM>Regarding your trivial non-sense with whining, insulting and
 BM>yada-yada-yada, ry reading some of your replies... you put your
 BM>"reputation" om the line by choosing a fraud as your information supplier.


 TR> Timothy Ball has yet to be absolutely *proven* a fraud.


 TR> But what *has* been proven is the fact that Mann (of the hockey stick)
 TR> has gotten his law suit tossed.


 TR> "Plaintiff continues to evade the one action that might establish its
 TR> [his science's] respectibality - by objecting in the courts of
 TR> Virginia, British Columbia and elsewhere, to the release of his
 TR> research in this field. See Cuccinelli vs Rectors and Visitors of the
 TR> University of Virginia."


 TR> And Mark Steyn is now suing Mann for 10 million dollars, and Dr. Ball
 TR> is suing as well!


Good for them... we'll see how far it gets.  Again, I don't care about Mann and
frivilous lawsuits.  

 TR> Also there's this:


 TR> As Mann refused to disclose his `hockey stick' graph meta-data, was a
 TR> real mistake on his part, because he failed to show that he did *not*
 TR> falsify his tree ring  `proxy data' forthe past 1000 years. So what
 TR> Ball said about him is closer to the truth: `Mann belongs in the state
 TR> pen...not at Penn State'!


 TR> It gets better (or `worse', depending on your point of view):


 TR> Hundreds...HUNDREDS! of papers in th earea of paleoclimat temperature
 TR> reconstructions that cite Mann's work are now down the tubes! Useless!


 TR> And the UN's IPCC that rely heavily on such data also goes out the
 TR> window!


 TR> You attempt to intimidate people into silence, so that the only `side'
 TR> of an issue that reaches the public ear is yours. And any hateful
 TR> bile you can load onto it you do not hesitate to throw in.

Tim, I asked one thing, your proof that Jason Box's findings are wrong.  I'm
not the one spewing misguided trash to clutter the subject.  Your rants have
are similar to those of Dick Cheney on election night of 2011... he was like a
madman not believing President Obama took Ohio, thus sealing the election. 
Stomp your feet much Tim?

 TR>Even your champion, Hussein Obama, is not against throwing aspersions at
 TR>those he hates. He has refered to the Tea Party as `tea-baggers'; a
 TR>homosexual slur at those who oppose his policies.


 BM>Ahhhh... back to the homosexual whatever.


 TR> You leftist democrats constantly bring it up.


 BM>Tim, are you sure you're not a closet gay?


 TR> Classic proof that you know for a fact its sick, disgusting behavior,
 TR> or you wouldn't reach right into that category to slam someone. Its
 TR> the worst insult you can use, because its the worst social level of
 TR> all.

I'm not the one who's constantly talking about it to the point of nauseaum.
Remember Shakespeare's infamous line... shoe fits in this instance.

 BM>You're constantly bringing that into any and ALL discussions


 TR> I like to keep you aware that I abhor sodomites and their supporters.

Abhor or is it a front?  


 BM>and yet you have the balls to accuse me cluttering YOUR garbage with
 BM>rhetoric. Good Lord... go fire up another bowl.. you're losing it again..


 TR> Wait a minute! What are you doing posting to me? I thought you `never'
 TR> read me anymore!

I asked you for rebuttal of Jason Box's findings... you have yet to produce a
single shred of evidence that refutes it.  Until you do I'll keep calling you
out on it and show you have no rebuttal only your typical nonsense when it
comes to gays.  


 BM>Regarding your "tea-bagger" status, no need for me to comment on that..
 BM>your actions and words here leave no doubt.


 TR> Perfect proof of what I just typed above! Thanks!

Proof?  I didn't need to supply proof... you've been doing it all along. As
they say, the proof is in the pudding and you my friend are knee deep in it.

 TR> Face it....Mann is a discredited junk-scientist who was shilling for
 TR> a disgraced cabal of `global warming' fanatics who were pumping the
 TR> taxpayers for their careers, funds, and golden retirements.


 TR> Unfortunately, we'll be dealing with the usefull idiots and their
 TR> do-gooder, whats-best-for-everybody actions for many years to come.

Back to the money again.  Tim, you already ranted over this above... it's a
waste of bandwidth. 

 TR> And its gonna cost a lot of money before its over.


 TR> Oh and....here's a last little tidbit to add to the already laughable
 TR> claims by Michael Mann;


 TR> Turns out that for years Michael Mann was claiming to be a Nobel Prize
 TR> recipient.


 TR> Unfortunately...that was suddenly, and publicly debunked! By several
 TR> reputable sources, including the Nobel committee itself.


 TR> Mann's claim was he recieved the Nobel along with Al Gore.


 TR> He didn't. Although he used that claim in his paperwork at Penn State
 TR> University, and made that brag publicly many times, the university
 TR> had to backtrack on it, as did Wikipedia and a few others.


 TR> So Mann is not only a junk scientist, and a shill for other junk
 TR> scientists, he's also a fraud and a liar!


 TR> Heh heh heh heh......


Tim, get off of Mann (although I feel you'd be more comfortable with him on
you).

Now, show me proof that Jason Box's findings are wrong and please, spare us the
Mann issue (you can keep that as your very own fantasy) and drop the "everyone
is getting paid by the gubmint" who's finding are contrary to yours. It's old
and boring.

Last reminder, SHOW ME WHERE JASON BOX'S FINDINGS ARE WRONG.

(Why do I have a feeling he'll not see that)



Bill

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