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Text 1774, 143 rader
Skriven 2012-08-01 09:51:41 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 1736 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: daja vu
===============
01 Aug 12 12:40, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> No one in Z1 refused to submit an article to the Z2 version of
 RW>>>> Fidonews because it was managed by a non-Z1er.

 MvdV>>> No one had the guts to admit it, but that surely was a reason
 MvdV>>> for some.

 RW>> Many Z1ers have said that they wouldn't support a publication that
 RW>> is edited by the USA basher, Björn Felten.

 RW>> Having said that, none of them have stated that they wouldn't
 RW>> support a publication that was edited by a Z2 sysop.

 MvdV> Ever so often the motives given are not the true motives.
 MvdV> Especially when the true motives are politically incorrect.

Had you archived the echo contents for the past ten years as I have, you
would be able to determine from what you're saying vs what has gone under
the bridge that the above is true.

 MvdV> You may be too close to the trees to see the forest, but seen from
 MvdV> the outside it is pretty obvious that Americans have problems with
 MvdV> non-Americans at the helm.

Seeing as how non-Americans need somebody to hold their hands or lead them
out of situations that a calm person would have no problem with. Y'all
need to take the back seat in many things and leave the driving to the
competent. Not saying that you're one of those who's incompetent. You're
smart enough, just too stubbornly stuck in your own rut for your own good.

 MvdV> They will only allow that if it is one of their puppets or if the
 MvdV> position is a paper tiger.

I'm nobody's puppet and you know I'm not a paper tiger. Lest you forget,
I'm the one who got tired of the NAB filtering of Z2 and sought out my own
feed for this echo and publically offered a non-filtered feed to anyone
who wanted one. Yet, I'm not treated by Janis any differently than she
treats her RCs, her closest friends and/or NAB companions.

BTW, had she listened to my input, Dossche wouldn't have gotten access to
the Z1C echo, period. I knew that all he'd do is take what he read there
and use it against Z1. He certainly lived up to my expectations in that
regard.

 RW>> If you wish to dispute that, put a Z2 sysop in the editor's seat of
 RW>> FIDONEWS who is a neutral party to the zone bashing and see what
 RW>> happens.

 MvdV> "Neutral" by your judgment of course.

Take a poll! Do it right here in public...

 MvdV> If there really was no objection against someone from Z2, why did
 MvdV> Janis appoint someone from Z1?

She asked for volunteers after the former editor retired when he had
family to deal with that came before Fidonet, Nick was the only one who
stepped forward...you can ask Delahaye for a confirmation, as I remember
Joe rejecting the idea that he be the Z1 Fnews editor. In fact, I thought
of volunteering, but I knew that I'd be as much of a catalyst against the
success of a Fidonews publication as Bjorn is right now. And I've been
the editor for several publications not associated with Fidonet.

BTW, I wrote articles as the club repeater custodian for an amateur radio
club, editor of that publication and a car club newsletter activities
reporter and editor.

 MvdV> She could have appointed someone from Z1 just to show that /that/
 MvdV> is not the problem.

You mean Z2? No one offered to ask for a Z2 editor, since you and Ward are
too influential with Bjorn as editor and there doesn't seem to be any
'neutral' Z2 sysops speaking up for Z2; even the 'wall flower's here  bash
Z1 when they feel that it's safe to come out hiding...(take net 1:292's
NCs outburst for instance)

 MvdV> But.. the Z1 edition of Fidonews ended up with a Z1 editor.

As we've seen in the past, there have been successful editors of the
publication who weren't Z1 nodes. An Australian, a South African and one
who isn't as popular from Z2. If he, like you would have refrained from
bashing the US in every message he posted here, he might have had been
accepted.

 MvdV> Remenber what happened with the echolist?. The predecessor of Thom
 MvdV> Lacosta (forgot his name) gave his datbase

No, he didn't give it to anyone. I was there and the way the echolist
keeper was determined was by vote of all moderators who cared.
Adrian Walker (his name) concluded that the then ZEC wasn't his choice,
even though he had a internet presence and software that would have blown
Walker's software all to hell, so Walker withdrew his database from the
pot.

LaCosta had the software in place and working when no one else did, so he
won the vote.

 MvdV> and software to Peter Witschi, the Z2 echilist keeper. The idea was
 MvdV> that from then on there would be just one global echolist.

Problem was that Witschi never showed his face in the Moderator echo where
all of this took place. If you're a no-show, you're written off as a
flake. Perhaps he was counting on Adrian's proposal going in his favor
and he needn't speak up, but that wasn't how it was going to be by popular
vote.

 MvdV> But this was not to the liking of the Americans. The end result is
 MvdV> that the Z1 echolist is back in the hands of a Z1 keeper.

An incompetent SOB if there ever was one. He can't configure his system to
use Irex, BinkD, etc., he can't keep his so-called robot working, he has
let his lack of brains allow his echolist computer to die and hasn't fixed
it. This has been the way it is since February or March...not that an
echolist is really needed anymore, but IMNSHO, we as moderators can live
without it. (I have for several years now)

 RW>> Of course, this would disallow such Z2 personalities that have
 RW>> spoken up in defense of you Z1 bashers.

 MvdV> Of course. Someone from Z2 is only acceptable to you if it is one
 MvdV> of your puppets.

LOL! I don't have any puppets, well maybe Herman...he's so thick between
the ears I can suggest he do the opposite of what I want out of him and
get it with his next reply.

                R\%/itt

... besides, IMNSHO, Ward Dossche should resign as ZC2 and surrender his
... net node-number to the ZCC !            - Cato the Elder -

... Reminder:

... On Friday September 8th 2006, Mike Godwin's 16 year experiment was
... concluded and Godwin's Law was officially repealed by a popular vote
... among millions of individuals.

... http://repealgodwin.tripod.com/


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