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Skriven 2012-08-03 04:57:47 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 1830 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: daja vu
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02 Aug 12 23:46, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> Having said that, none of them have stated that they wouldn't
 RW>>>> support a publication that was edited by a Z2 sysop.

 MvdV>>> Ever so often the motives given are not the true motives.
 MvdV>>> Especially when the true motives are politically incorrect.

 RW>> Had you archived the echo contents for the past ten years as I have,

 MvdV> I don't keep echomail archives.

Small HD?

 MvdV>>> You may be too close to the trees to see the forest, but seen
 MvdV>>> from the outside it is pretty obvious that Americans have
 MvdV>>> problems with non-Americans at the helm.

 RW>> Seeing as how non-Americans need somebody to hold their hands or
 RW>> lead them out of situations that a calm person would have no problem
 RW>> with. Y'all need to take the back seat in many things and leave the
 RW>> driving to the competent.

 MvdV> That is the kind of patronising that is the cause of so much bad
 MvdV> blood bewteen Anericans and the rest of the world.

The facts bear out the truth in this case.

 RW>> Not saying that you're one of those who's incompetent. You're smart
 RW>> enough, just too stubbornly stuck in your own rut for your own good.

 MvdV> Patronising...

Critical observation...

 MvdV>>> They will only allow that if it is one of their puppets or if
 MvdV>>> the position is a paper tiger.

 RW>> I'm nobody's puppet and you know I'm not a paper tiger.

 MvdV> I did not say you are.

 RW>>  Lest you forget, I'm the one who got tired of the NAB filtering of
 RW>> Z2 and sought out my own feed for this echo and publically offered a
 RW>> non-filtered feed to anyone who wanted one.

 MvdV> I haven't forgotten that. yes you did your part in breaking the
 MvdV> blockade. I haven't forgotten.

 RW>> Yet, I'm not treated by Janis any differently than she treats her
 RW>> RCs, her closest friends and/or NAB companions.

 MvdV> Your point?

I'm neither a paper tiger or a puppet.  You already acked that.

 RW>> BTW, had she listened to my input, Dossche wouldn't have gotten
 RW>> access to the Z1C echo, period.

 MvdV> If Ward had listened to me, Janis and Ross would not have gotten
 MvdV> access to ENET.SYSOP...

Heh...no one needs permission to access ENET.SYSOP, it is easily obtained,
without posting privileges that is. If a reader has something to say about
anything said there, one merely posts a reply in, say FN_SYSOP...

Z1C isn't as easy to get access to, as the echo is considered Z1 only and
at least no Z1 sysop aware of that will make it available.

 RW>> I knew that all he'd do is take what he read there and use it
 RW>> against Z1. He certainly lived up to my expectations in that regard.

 MvdV> Same for ENET.SYSOP and Janis and Ross.

I've been following along in that echo and see nothing there that hasn't
appeared elsewhere that has public access.

 MvdV> It just goes to show tha Janis does not always listen to you and
 MvdV> Ward does not always listen to me.

Proving that she (and Ross) aren't puppets?

 MvdV>>> If there really was no objection against someone from Z2, why
 MvdV>>> did Janis appoint someone from Z1?

 RW>> She asked for volunteers after the former editor retired

 MvdV> She asked in a Z1 only echo. So naturally no one from other zones
 MvdV> came forward.

You can't get access to her Fido_Gazette echo?

 MvdV>>> She could have appointed someone from Z1 just to show that
 MvdV>>> /that/ is not the problem.

 RW>> You mean Z2?

 MvdV> Yes, typo. Sorry.

 RW>> No one offered to ask for a Z2 editor, since you and Ward

 MvdV> I'd have declined. I have enough hats as it is.

 RW>> are too influential with Bjorn as editor and there doesn't seem to
 RW>> be any 'neutral' Z2 sysops speaking up for Z2; even the 'wall
 RW>> flower's here  bash Z1 when they feel that it's safe to come out
 RW>> hiding...(take net 1:292's NCs outburst for instance)

 MvdV> Funny... There is always something that sounds reasonable, but the
 MvdV> bottom line is always that it shoud not be someone from Z2...

Apparently all of the Z2 nodes who would sound reasonable must be hiding
in the wall paper.

 MvdV>>> But.. the Z1 edition of Fidonews ended up with a Z1 editor.

 RW>> As we've seen in the past, there have been successful editors of the
 RW>> publication who weren't Z1 nodes. An Australian, a South African

 MvdV> A racist.

Nothing wrong with being a racist, as long as that doesn't reflect in the
task at hand. We have a fine example of a 'USA Hater' as our Fidonews
editor now.

 RW>>  and one who isn't as popular from Z2. If he, like you would have
 RW>> refrained from bashing the US in every message he posted here, he
 RW>> might have had been accepted.

 MvdV> Just an excuse..

As good an excuse as any to disapprove all bashers.

 MvdV>>> Remenber what happened with the echolist?. The predecessor of
 MvdV>>> Thom Lacosta (forgot his name) gave his datbase

 RW>> Problem was that Witschi never showed his face in the Moderator echo

 MvdV> Excuses, ad hoc explanations atc, etc. Bottom line is always that
 MvdV> it must be someone from Z1...

Wrong again. If he had appeared to be at least interested, he might still
be the echolist keeper today. Adrian's system worked well and there was
never a complaint about his echolisting abilities. If Witschi showed any
interest at all, he may have been the only one applying for the job.

                R\%/itt

... besides, IMNSHO, Ward Dossche should resign as ZC2 and surrender his
... net node-number to the ZCC !            - Cato the Elder -

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