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Skriven 2012-08-05 14:53:14 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Roger Nelson (1:3828/7.0)
Ärende: The fourth stage
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Hello Roger,

On Saturday August 04 2012 17:53, you wrote to me:

 RN>> Just when is a moderator NOT wearing his moderator hat?

 MvdV>> When he is writing   titre personel and not as moderator of
 MvdV>> course.

 RN>> He may be posting messages/replies as one of the guys, but he is
 RN>> still the moderator,

 MvdV>> But not writing as moderator. I.e. not wearing the hat.

 RN> That in and of itself doesn't mean he isn't the moderator.

You asked me "just when is a moderator not wearing his moderator hat?" I gave
an answer to that question.

 RN>>  just as I am in the echoes I moderate.

 MvdV>> That's your area. Your area, your rules. Here someone else sets
 MvdV>> the rules.

 RN> And doesn't follow them.  (-:[

That is for the moderator to judge. That's not you.

 RN>> A moderator's job, in addition to what Joe wrote to you, which is
 RN>> founded in fact

 MvdV>> No, it is mereley your opinon, not fact.

 RN> What good is my opinion if you don't understand it?

1) What makes you think I do not understand your opinion?

2 It is a good question, but why ask me? Do you really want me to give an
opinion on the value of your opinion in the case that I do not understand it?

 RN> Not understanding my opinion is your problem because you don't
 RN> bother to ask for clarification.

No, it is not my problems. The world is full of opinions. The world is also
full of crackpots that hold opinions that make no sense to me. I have LONG ago
stopped trying to understand each and every opinion that comes my way. I just
move on.

 RN>> and not opinion or illusion, is to be moderate in his moderating.

 MvdV>> As laid down where?

 RN> Common sense,

The word "common" in "common sense" indicates some kind of commonality.

 RN>  which is all-too lacking here,

... which appears not to be present here. IOW, you "common sense" is just your
opinion. Others may or may not share that opionon.

 RN>  but that's merely the tip of the iceberg.

Perhaps.


 RN>> Surely you understand that and if you don't, then I feel sorry
 RN>> for you.

 MvdV>> Here is that arrogant patronising display of superiority again.

 RN> Yes, I'm often accused by my friends of that and you know what?  I am.
 RN> (-: I'm even better educated than they and was taught the difference
 RN> between right and wrong at an early age.

There is no absolute right or wrong. What you gave learned to be wrong might be
right for someone else. And vice versa.

To hold the position that your POV of what is right and wrong, is the only one
possible and should be adopted by all, is arrogant, patronising and counter
productive when it comes to improve relations.

 MvdV>> If you feel sorry for me, you are not treating me as an equal.

 RN> I'm treating you EXACTLY the way your writings are construed not only
 RN> by me, but others as well.

You are not treating me as an equal.

 RN>   You need to get over yourself.

Arrogant and patronising.

 RN> [...]

 MvdV>>> And you never asked yourself if there might be a reason why
 MvdV>>> the US is so unpopular among so many people in the world?

 RN>> It's because of ingrates like you, Michiel.

 MvdV>> It is my fault that the US is so unpopulair among so manty
 MvdV>> people in the world? Get real!

 RN> I NEVER mentioned ANY country.

I did, thereby setting the context.

 RN>   Your hatred for the United States is showing again.

And you still refuse to ask yourself why it is that tha US is so unpopular
among so many people in the world.

 RN>   I'm beginning to think you, Ward and Björn are related.

But you still refuse to ask yourself why it is that tha US is so unpopular
among so many people in the owrld.

 RN>> A lot of good men gave their lives that afford you the luxury you
 RN>> now enjoy and you insult their memory.

 MvdV>> And there is that "you should be gratefull,,, bla bla bla
 MvdV>> mantra again.

 RN> See above.  If you misunderstood what I wrote,

I did not misunderstand. I can read bewteen the lines.

 RN>  it was commensurate
 RN> upon you as a learned person to ask me exactly what I meant,

If you do not want to be misunderstood, just say what you want to say and say
it clearly without me having to ask for clearification every time.
I am tired of playing your games.


Cheers, Michiel

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