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Ärende: The crack-pot century
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On 01-24-15, BJöRN FELTEN said to TIM RICHARDSON:

TR> Why not just try to answer?


BF>All your outrageous claims, masked as questions, have been answered over
BF>and over again.


No....they haven't. All they've elicited from you people are insults, put-
downs, empty rhetoric....more insults....


But no concrete answers. None.  Only half-ass `well ....they aren't worth
answering'!


BF>Even an elementary school kid can tell you how stupid you
BF>are, believing in those conspiracy theories.


If they're so `conspiracy theories' and I'm so `stupid' to bring them up...
you and your cohorts in here ought to be able to answer my simple questions
calmly and informatively, without all the insults and put-downs.


BF>Why don't you remove that tin-foil hat of yours and tune into another news
BF>channel than Fox News? You might even learn something...


If your so right...and your position on it is so solidly `un' stupid and
without any `tin-foil' hats....why not just answer the questions without
all the insults and put-downs?


By the way...I don't watch `Fox News'.


It is claimed that the `science is settled'.


If its so `settled'....why does it keep changing?


Are you familiar with the name Freeman Dyson?


According to him the computer generated models being used today to `predict'
all this `global warming' stuff is deeply flawed....mostly useless.


And here is a list of scientists who question the accuracy of the IPCC's
climate modeling claims:


Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections


These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate
accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-
level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the
current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the
projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global
climate modeling.


David Bellamy, botanist.[14][15][16][17]

Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and
Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[18][19][20][21]

Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences,
Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [22][23]

Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban
Science and Progress at New York University[24][25]

Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science
at   the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National
Academy   of Sciences[26][27][28][29]

Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air
and Stream Improvement.[30][31][32][33][34][35]

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics
Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission
on  Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)[36][37]

Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of
Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic
Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National
University[38][39]

Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa,
research   scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and
soil   science[40][41][42][43]

Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of
Technology, Stockholm[44][45]

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of
London[46][47]

Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands
Meteorological Institute [48][49]

Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee[50][51]

Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in
chemistry[52][53]

Zbigniew Jaworowski, physician and ice core researcher.[54][55][56][57][58]


And the following is a list of scientists who believe (as I do) that any
global `warming' or `cooling' is completely natural, and beyond Man's control:


Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural
processes


These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be
attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on
climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical
articles.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian
Academy of Sciences[60][61]

Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics[62][63][64]

Timothy Ball, professor emeritus of geography at the University of
Winnipeg[65][66]

Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook
University[67][68]

Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences,
University of Ottawa[69][70]

Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and
Environmental Science, University of Auckland[71][72]

David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and
Astronomy, University of Rochester[73][74]

Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington
University[75][76]

William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology
Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[77]
[78]

William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton
University[79][80]

Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[81][82]

Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the
University   of Stockholm.[83][84]

William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World
Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[85][86]

David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center
for   Climatic Research, University of Delaware[87][88]

Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of
Missouri[89][90]

Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil
Engineering   and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[91][92]

Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton
University in Canada.[93][94][95]

Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of
Adelaide.[96][97]

Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty
member   at the University of California, San Diego[98][99]

Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie
University[100][101]

Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke
University[102][103][104]

Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[105]
[106]

Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate
science   at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[107][108]
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University
of   Virginia[109][110][111][112]

Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics[113][114]

Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of
Alabama in Huntsville[115][116]

Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[117][118]

George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon
State University[119][120]

Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of
Ottawa[121][122]


And the following scientists are not really certain as to the cause of
temperature changes up or down:


Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown


These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the
observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.


Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of
the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska
Fairbanks.[123][124]

Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at
Institute   of Geophysics (Paris).[125][126]

Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State
University.[127][128]

John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth
System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville,
contributor   to several IPCC reports.[129][130][131]

Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos
National   Laboratory.[132][133]

David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[134][135]
Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute and a Nobel laureate.[136][137]

Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal
ashes[138][139]

Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa
County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for
the   Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[140][141]

Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University
of   Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[142][143]


So....claims of `Fox News' aside....again:


If this is all so `real' and `settled'....why all the deleting of e-mails? Why
try to suppress accredited scientists' papers that counter it from being
published? Why the threats of discreditation for any and all opposition?


Thats a mighty strange way to conduct `science', don't you think? Do you have
any answers to those simple question besides insults, put-downs, or false
accusations like `tin-hat' or `Fox News' stuff? Say....something informative
that sounds like sensible conversation, and not a diatribe, or litany of
hatred?





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