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Hello Allen,
LL>> The composition you learned was an adaptation of Liszt's
LL>> original work. Otherwise, it would not have been possible
LL>> for you to learn it, much less play it.
AP> It's not so much Lizst's composition it uses a technique called the
Thalberg
AP> technique that is VERY hard to master. Gershwin, Chopin and Lizts'
AP> compositions all are heavily arranged to the Thalberg technique.
The Thalberg technique might allow some pianists to imitate
what Liszt could play, but it is only an imitation given the
physique of the human body.
AP> Another one that's an amazing piece to play that uses the Talberg
technique
AP> is Earl Wild's arangement of Gershwin's "Embracable You."
Gershwin's tune does not require the reach of a 15th on each
hand. Liszt was one of a kind. Nobody could play his compositions
the way those compositions were meant to be played because only
Liszt had the physical abillity to play them. No technique could
change that.
Shaquille O'Neal had the size and ability to play basketball
at a level very few people can. He was unique, given his massive
size. Same with Liszt.
LL>> I am not questioning your talent to play piano, or any other
LL>> musical instrument, including voice. All music is an interpretation.
LL>> What you play is an interpretation of somebody else's composition,
LL>> as your own expression.
AP> It's all somebody elses composition...
All music is an interpretation. Even the composition can never be
truly interpreted by others in exactly the same way the composer
intended it.
AP> I'm not one who could ever compose music.
Anybody can compose music. Whether it is good or bad is another
question. Some might love it. Others hate it. Very rare that all
would love it. And quite possible that all might hate it.
AP> But we are open to interpretation.
"Why do you call me good?" - Jesus
AP> I also play the organ, and I've been told that the way I play (or once was
AP> able to play) Debussy's"Engulfed Cathedral" on an organ was one of the
most
AP> chilling interpretations of it.
AP> Even though the arrangement I played was written for piano it takes on new
AP> life on the organ.
Organ is just a simplified piano. As such, any pianist can
play an organ. Not all organists can play piano, as that is
far more complex.
AP> Music (like your FidoNet pitbull story) can tell a story in it's own life.
Music is story, told in a different way. Understand the language,
and it is easy to comprehend.
AP> You may have truth about Liszt being a "freak" as I am told Un Sospiro is
AP> actually meant to be a musical interpretation of sex... complete with an
AP> orgasmic release in the performance. (Listen to it.)
I would agree with that view. But not all who perform the piece
understand the meaning. Without understanding the meaning, they
send an entirely different message to their audience.
Listen to Van Cliburn's interpretation of Un Sospiro. He is one
pianist who had the ability to play it, and truly understood Liszt's
meaning and intent. Compare Van Cliburn's interpretation with others
who have performed it. Note the difference.
AP> My teacher said there are two ways to play it, you can play it with
AP> mechanical perfection or feel the moment and movements of the lovers...
AP> which is how I interpret it.
Even your own interpretation is only an approximation of what Liszt
had in mind. Nobody really knows what was in the man's head other
than Liszt himself. The best that we can do is guess.
AP> Another way of interpreting is the tone and brightness of the piano.
Modern tuning is not accurate, giving the piano a much brighter
sound than it was in the past. And that changes the way a piece
sounds, thus creating a different emotional response than what
the composer intended.
AP> In my day I was blessed to have an Ensoniq ESQ-1... and upgraded to a
Roland
AP> Jupiter 7 (which I still have packed up) I'm told the Jupiter 7 is worth a
AP> pretty penny as many artists want them for their vintage 90's sound.
AP> Picking the sampled voice of different piano's is also a means of
AP> interpretation.
Electronic instruments are fun to play, but cannot duplicate the
sound of an acoustic piano. Anything more complex than a seventh
chord sounds too muddied or garbled to bother playing. So one
has to keep it simple when playing an electronic instrument.
AP>>> And my personal favorite George Gershwin's An American in Paris.
AP>>> Not a difficult piece at all but damn it was fun to play.
LL>> Porgy & Bess was his finest. Summertime was so expressive, as
LL>> well as his other works. People think of Rhapsody in Blue as a
LL>> solo piece, but it was really for two pianists as a duet. So
LL>> much more can be said about not just George, but also Ira.
AP> Rhapsody in Blue is familiar to most because of American Airlines, it
always
AP> pissed me off that everyone would immediately call it the "American
AP> Airlines" theme when I played it so I rarely played it.
That's when you should have jumped into your "See the USA in your
Chevrolet" song routine ...
AP> I love Porgy & Bess too...
What a great musical. All the songs, not just one or two.
AP> I did summertime with Lena horne... she was no Ella... that's all I will
AP> say, but she was amazing nonetheless.
The voice is a very poor musical instrument, and yet some people
are able to play it so well. I never was able to figure out how.
AP> Nothing sounds better than Ella's Version of it... I wish I lived in
those
AP> times.
AP> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivELBdxVRM
Folks in those days had nothing better to do with their time
than to learn songs. Or hear others singing songs.
AP> But this version is done as it was origionally written, as an opera. Has
a
AP> whole different tone... and tells a whole different story, it's almost
AP> mournful.
AP> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7-Qa92Rzbk
Italians love opera. Even more so than the British. Had Shakespeare
been Italian, he would have written musicals rather than sonnets and
plays.
LL>> Sometimes people like to tell a sob story. Whether true or not.
LL>> This is Fidonet. A place where storytellers abound. Or used to,
LL>> back in the day.
AP> Not a sob story... cold hard fact, have the scars on my hands to prove it.
AP> I've regained a lot of use of my left hand... I am blessed, but I often
AP> wonder what would have happened. I can remember sitting down to audition
AP> on the steinway piano at Juliard... It was the only time I ever touched
AP> something so grand... and never will I ever experience that again. I sat
AP> before five people who stared at me with stone faces... only after I had
AP> played my audition recital did they soften and began to speak. I've
stared
AP> down some intimidating
AP> things before in my life, but NOTHING like that.
I had a similar experience, years ago. Had received a tip about
an availability to play on a cruise ship. Went to meet with those
in charge of hiring. Men with suits, sitting down behind a very
long desk, on a pedestal, in an auditorium filled with job-seekers.
The head honcho introduced himself, and told me the details. Rather
than giving him what he wanted, I laughed at them and walked out.
The entire crowd of job-seekers was stunned, and left speechless.
Two weeks later, the boat was impounded, and the "executives" were
on their way to the pen, having been caught for racketeering.
AP>>> I was never able to harden my heart to the point where I saw bad
AP>>> things. Most EMT's use a sick sense of humor to shake off the AP>>bad
AP> stuff they see... I couldn't do it.
AP> I could never be a soldier either. I do agree with service though and I
did
AP> serve my community in a different way for 16 years.
Soldiering is an honorable profession. But there should never be
any wars. The best way to prevent war is to sue for peace. Can't
do that by hiring mercenaries.
LL>> We have a mercenary army. Accountable to no one. You want an end
LL>> to war? Not gonna happen as long as we keep and maintain a mercenary
LL>> army. The only way to put an end to war is to have mandatory service
AP> More truth to this than anyone would ever admit.
Rich men sent their children to Sweden (and other places) in order
to avoid the draft during the Vietnam conflict. George W. Bush
avoided the draft by enlisting in the Texas Air National Guard -
with help from high places. At least Al Gore served, although as
an Army journalist and not in a combat role. And Bill Clinton
never had to serve, as he lucked out.
Are you familiar with the song, "Alice's Restaurant"? Arlo Guthrie
wrote it. You remember the funny line? It's an anti-war song, but
how many people in the USA know that? Most people here have no idea
what the funny line is. So. Here's your chance.
AP> We are protecting Saudia Arabia right now...
We pulled our troops out of Saudi Arabia.
As requested by Osama bin Laden.
AP> their military does not defend them we do...
15 Saudis hijacked four American airliners and killed 3000+
innocent men, women and children on our soil.
AP> we protect a lot of nations...
Including Israel, which attacked an American warship (USS Liberty)
in international waters without provocation.
AP> and need to worry about our own.
If we withdraw our forces from other places, choosing only to
keep them stationed here within our own borders, the rest of the
world will go to pot and then gang up against us for not having
bailed them out. Is that what you want? US against The World?
320 million people vs. 9 billion people? Which side to you
think would win?
Better to defend The World, even if it kills us.
LL>> When mommy and daddy know their sons and daughters must serve,
LL>> they will hold the politicians responsible and accountable for their
LL>> children's welfare. That's what happens when you have real skin in
LL>> the game.
AP> Sheeple Lee... Mommy and Daddy are sheeple... the follow the herd and
AP> question nothing. That's why I don't work for the City Government
anymore.
AP> The more I progressed in promotion the more truth I learned.
AP> Lee, the truth is UGLY... that's all I will say.
Truth is an illusion.
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He who believes
in me will live forever." - Jesus
What did She mean by that?
I guess we'll find out when we get there.
If we get there.
LL>> Why are most fat people fat? Because they put more into their pie
LL>> hole than the energy they expend getting rid of it. This type of
LL>> behavior catches up with most, but not all, of them later, as can
LL>> be expected. It is only the rare exception who can eat and eat and
LL>> get away with it. Kind of like chain smokers. Keep smoking like
LL>> a dragon and see how long it takes for you to croak. A handful
LL>> will keep on puffing and puffing until they hit the century mark.
LL>> And then light up a cigar and wish everybody else a happy birthday.
AP> I had this conversation with a good friend of mine today who is Morbidly
AP> obese.
AP> I personally chose to lose weight. After the head injury set in all the
AP> meds
AP> they give me to keep me from having seizures (depakote) are notorious for
AP> making you gain weight. Also the deep depression that set in afterwards
AP> made
AP> me seek comfort in eating. Nothing else seemed to matter but my next
meal,
AP> it
AP> was all I had going for me. I can't watch TV much anymore because it
makes
AP> me
AP> sick due to all the motion.
AP> Some do not realize that I rarely look at the computer monitor. Right now
AP> I'm
AP> dictating this in by Apple's text-2-speech technology. The Mac also reads
AP> your
AP> e-mails back to me. You adapt.
AP> I've had a long standing hip injury that needs repaired the doctor told me
AP> he
AP> could not do surgery until I lost 50 pounds. I've lost the weight now I'm
AP> just
AP> waiting to schedule the surgery.
AP> In fact since October of last year I've lost a total of 109 pounds. I am
AP> unable to do any strenuous exercise because of the hip or I would be in
much
AP> better shape. Health is a choice... my friend blames everything on Irish
AP> genes, fibromyalgia, that diets she's been on before have borked her
AP> metabolism... blah blah blah, yet it's not rocket science. Reduce your
AP> calories and move more you will lose weight. Even if moving is doing a
AP> little
AP> extra housework... you will lose weight. Instead of a cheeseburger eat a
AP> nice
AP> grilled chicken wrap full of veggies. There are alternatives... there are
AP> many
AP> ways to choose better. Like Oprah says "when you know better you do
AP> better."
AP> But sadly many know better... but don't do better. Makes me sad to see
AP> someone
AP> morbidly extremely obese and they use those riding shopping carts. I know
AP> that
AP> there are true and real hidden disabilities, but some people use them who
AP> would
AP> benefit from a walk through the grocery store.
Read my post to ALL under subject heading "Fat is Good".
AP>>> I've also been blessed with meeting a lot of the greats. We have a
AP>>> charity called the "Crusade for Children" that cares for kids with
AP>>> major
AP>>> illnesses (back in my day it was the "Crusade for Cripple Children" but
AP>>> Cripple isn't PC anymore.
LL>> Gotta be politically correct these days. Or else.
AP> Tell me about it... and people get butthurt over the least little thing.
I
AP> am
AP> far from a republican, but I have friends who are hard left democrats and
if
AP> I
AP> mention anything about Hillary (I know government email servers and the
laws
AP> regarding them) and her e-mail server they turn absolutely nasty. For the
AP> camp
AP> that preaches "tolerance and acceptance" they sure are intolerant of
AP> anyone's
AP> "doctrine" that's not of their own.
Never mind what the sign says. Use the bathroom of your own choice.
And if somebody throws you out, sue the hell out of them!
LL>> Celebrities are sometimes accessible, even at places where one would
LL>> not expect.
AP> Especially around the first Saturday in May in Louisville.
Mardi Gras in New Orleans works for me.
LL>> You can always pick up a harp.
AP> Only when I die and am floating on a cloud and have nothing better to do.
The smaller ones can fit in your pocket. Quite a lot of fun
to play, too. Stevie Wonder has one. Probably a lot more than
one ...
--Lee
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