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Text 874, 138 rader
Skriven 2012-07-18 21:09:21 av Nicholas Boel (10873.fidonews)
    Kommentar till text 865 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: .fidonet
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  Re: .fidonet
  By: mark lewis to Nicholas Boel on Wed Jul 18 2012 08:37 pm

 > that's about as much of a bullshit argument as i've ever heard... you
 > youths just don't know how the games are really played and so you make up
 > our own damned rules and screw everyone else... a perfect example is all
 > the internet software out there that is still using tech older than fidonet
 > and still doesn't quote properly (for this particular argument)... why?
 > because no one give a damn when they should and could and the entire thing
 > could have been so much better than the sloppy shit we have now :/

There is no "damned rules" saying to do otherwise, Mark. Just because the 
editor YOU use (as well as a few others) does this, it doesn't mean they all 
have to. If you want to push to make it a standard practice, I'm sure Rob will 
gladly oblidge. Until then, find something else to bitch and complain about.
 
 > i didn't start the thread... is your threading broken?

No, you're right. I said Synchronet was 100% FTN compliant. Paul disagreed, 
ONE piece of software was brought up that apparantly doesn't work so far, 
which hasn't been proven yet and you've been whining this entire time.

Holy crap! I remembered who said what! See, Mark, it isn't that hard. :)

 > the MSGID is made of two parts... the origaddr and the unique-for-3-years
 > serial number... the origaddr should not be parsed but if it is going to be
 > used, it can and should be used as it is... what is so hard to understand
 > about that? this is NOT the internet when any old crap is fine...

The MSGID is still the damn MSGID. I don't care how many parts it has. It 
shouldn't be parsed, or used for sending netmail. If your editor is doing 
that, there's something wrong with your editor.

 > properly written FTN software does look in more than one place... which
 > address should be used if the others are not the same? how's about i pop
 > over into SYNCHRONET and try to send you a private reply to one of your
 > posts over there? will it end up on YOUR bbs where you originated the
 > message i would be replying to or would it fall into a blackhole or require
 > the operator of that system to manually forward it on to your real address
 > in that othernet???

The MSGID shouldn't be used at all for addressing anything to anyone. It's a 
message identifier. That is all.

As far as Dovenet is concerned, that issue probably should have been addressed 
when gating was allowed into Fidonet. Any software that is gating an othernet 
to Fidonet and back will do the same thing, and only produce one node number. 
If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

That still has nothing to do with the MSGID being exactly what it is, a 
message identifier. Not a means of netmail addressing.

 > right... but they do chainsaw quotes and loose characters and even whole
 > words at times... proper reflowing of the quotes would be a big step
 > forward... shirley this can be done in that javascript stuff? once that is
 > done, adding the initials is child's play ;)

Actually, both of them don't do that anymore. If you have them setup right. 
I've used Slyedit for some time now, and I am actually the one who requested 
the line wrapping so as to not cut off text at the end of a message. So don't 
think I haven't done anything around these parts, Mark!

There is also an option in the external editor configuration of Synchronet to 
wrap quoted lines. I'm not sure how good that works as I requested it be built 
into the editor I was using. But it's definitely there, and if one doesn't 
know any better, they probably wouldn't enable that option when setting an 
editor up.

 > software gives a shit???? gimme a break, eh? this is truely a very sad
 > state of affairs... really...

Only for you, Mark. Most people are here for fun and good conversation. Not to 
critique every little thing that comes around, and whine about it for extended 
periods of time. That, actually, pushes people away.

 > [truthful sarcasm]
 > when you grow up, maybe you'll see the difference and realize how crappy
 > chainsaw quoting and no quote initials really is...
 > [/truthful sarcasm]

Bah! Humbug! Get off my lawn! :(

 > i wasn't being sarcastic... that's part of the problem, too... "you"'re too
 > busy being a smartass and sarcastic to pay attention to the real problem
 > and see the arguments from others' points of view... "you" sound just like
 > my kids before they grew up and learned these things or got killed...

I'm only a smartass to the people that truly believe they know everything and 
try to push a "my way or the highway" point of view on others. There is no 
problem here, Mark. It's only a figment of your imagination.

 > your sarcasm is bullshit and you definitely read "mine" wrong... there is
 > no one in fidonet that i consider to be in my circle of "me and mine"... so
 > why you ever thought that anyone else was involved is beyond me... perhaps
 > you should drop the sarcasm shit in the trash and try to follow along
 > instead of stiring the shit? you are at least 15 years too late... you'd
 > have fit in perfectly back in the 90's...

You really flip your lid when you're not getting your way, eh? Whether or not 
I would have fit perfectly back in the 90s, I was busy chasing women and 
all-in-all just having fun. I'm guessing you were *right here* bitching and 
whining then, too?

 > who says that things haven't been said to janis about this? not everything
 > is done out in the open... most of the time when it get to that point it is
 > because everything else has failed in private and it all just boils over...
 > then we get st00pid sarcastic shit that has only the purpose of keeping
 > things stirred up...

Paul took his concerns to netmail. Why didn't you? Nothing failed between you 
and I in private, because nothing was done in private. You wanted to make a 
mockery of me in public, and I'm basically telling you to shove it where the 
sun don't shine. :)

Show us spec references telling Rob his way is wrong, and you might get 
somewhere. As of right now, it's not wrong (except in your eyes). So shaddup 
about it already!

 > many bugs aren't seen until someone else points them out... i've yet to
 > meet an ostrich that is unhappy with their head in the sand where they
 > can't see what's really going on... most users don't have a clue what their
 > software is doing or why it is doing it... thanks m$, apple and xerox for
 > hiding everything behind the pretty stuff... ooohhh! it is so pretty! i
 > don't know how it works or care but it is so pretty!!

When it's not a bug, it doesn't need to be pointed out. Sometimes when YOU 
think it's a bug, it's not a bug.

I don't have that problem with the pretty stuff. The only time I boot into 
Windows is to play a game, and that's few and far in between these days.

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