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Skriven 2013-07-26 12:57:35 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Social Security
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Hello Dale,

On Thursday July 25 2013 23:22, you wrote to me:

 MVDV>> If you read it that way, you are reading things that are
 MVDV>> not there. I have made no statements about my beliefs.

 DS> Oh really?  Then why did you make the following statements if you did
 DS> not think that they were true?

Belief is accepting things as fact without having any proof.

 DS> [quote]
 DS> 7/8/2013
 DS> What I meant to convey is that applications for a node number will be
 DS> judged irrespective of personality. Unlike apparently Ward's request
 DS> for a node number in Montana.

I did not present is as if it were a fact. You ignore the word "apparently".

 DS> 7/10/2013
 DS> Of course, but the strong suspicion that ward's request for a node
 DS> number was denied for personal reasons remains. As I noted it was not
 DS> denied by any of the powers that be...

Again: I did not present is as fact. Note the word "suspicion". That means I
consider it a possibility, not a proven fact.

 DS> 7/21/2013
 DS> It can be denied by anyone knowing the facts. So far those claiming to
 DS> know the facts only confirm my suspicion. [/quote]

See above.

 DS> On the 8th, you are stating your belief that Ward's request for a node
 DS> number in Montana was denied because of personality -- without any
 DS> evidence that is fact.

No, I am not stating it as a belief. See above. The "belief part" is where you
are reaing something that is not there.

 DS> You repeat essentially the same unsupported allegation on the 10th,
 DS> and then again on the 21st -- where you admit making a statement of
 DS> your suspicion, aka belief.

And here is where you go wrong. You equate suspicion to belief.

 DS> In all cases you are stating what you believe or suspect to be the
 DS> truth,

There is a big difference between "believing to be true" and "suspecting to be
true".

 DS> even though no evidence for your statement has been presented.

Suspicion requires no evidence. On the contrary, once there is evidence, it
stops being suspicion and turn into proven verifiable fact.

Suspicion however is driven by "indicators" and several have been presented to
you:

1) Ward applied for a Z1 node number for his system in Montana. Twice.

2) Both the applications did not result in a node listing.

3) No technical reasons were given.

4) Someone claimed a vote was held. You said I should not believe everything
Roy Witt claims and of course you are right. But oddly enough you have left it
at that, you claimed Roy's claim had no credibility but you have not actually
denied such a vote took place. Nor has anyone else.

5) You stated that some in Z1 do not trust Ward's motives. Now why did you
state that? Motives should not be a consideration when applying for a node
number, so why mention it?

6) Z1C comemented on Ward's "need" for the node umber. Is he collecting them?
she asked. This indicates that Z1C involved herself.

7) Some claimed Ward's only reason for wanting a Z1 node number was to get
access to Z1C. No one denied this was a reason for not granting the request for
a node number.

8) Personal reasons have been a factor in other incidents concerning Ward and
the powers that be in Z1. He was kicked out of Z1C. Not because he violated the
area rules, but because of what he wrote or did elsewhere. i.e personal
reasons.

9) True, there are a number of possible reasons why a node number was denied.
But oddly enough none were given. My suspicion that personal reasons were
involved could very easily be eliminated if someone in the chain of command
would clearly state the reasons why Ward's applications did not result in a
node number.  But nothing happens. Silence everywhere. The word "Omerta" comes
to mind.

Your attitude does not help either. You start a diversion by questioning my
alleged beliefs. But you do nothing to eliminate "personal reasons" from the
list of possible reasons.

So my suspicion remains.

Cheers, Michiel

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