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Text 10519, 182 rader
Skriven 2018-12-09 10:28:46 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.73)
  Kommentar till text 10459 av Markus Reschke (2:240/1661)
Ärende: Candidates vision request
=================================
 On 2018 Dec 05 21:10:56, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

 CS>> What standards do you show to represent when a site has 2 resolving
 CS>> addresses, one preferred for IBN but the other for everything?  Z1
 CS>> practical resolution, yet another thing not documented.  The world is
 CS>> not black and white.

 MR> Putting on my software developer hat, I'm quite unhappy with such
 MR> undocumented features.

what undocumented features? IIRC, binkd was the first to offer this
capability... you can easily list multiple semicolon separated domains in the
NODE lines...

 MR> I've written a small tool to extract the binkp nodes from the
 MR> nodelist. The FTSC documentation states that the IBN flag should carry
 MR> a FQDN/IP when binkd is accepting calls only on that FQDN/IP and it's
 MR> different from the FQDN/IP in the INA flag. Or in other words, the
 MR> FQDN/IP in the IBN flag prevails and no other address should be called
 MR> by binkd.

that's now how binkd works... it cycles through the presented domains...

 MR> In your case the tool would take just shenks.dyndns.org as explained
 MR> above. But with the undocumented feature I would have to add a special
 MR> case which also takes shenks.synchro.net as second address.

binkd (and argus/radius/taurus) nodelist tools do this without any problem... i
 remember when Jerry Schwartz was writing the binkd_nodelister.pl script and
how he asked questions of the FTSC about this very thing with multiple domains
in a nodelist line... it was decided at that time to list all the domains found
 in the specified fields and write them in a semicolon separated list to the
binkd configuration file like binkd worked with... other nodelist convertors
would list the multiple domains in a manner consistent with the mailer(s) they
support... if the mailer doesn't have support for multiple domains, then the
convertor tool would choose the proper one for that mailer...

 MR> The big problem is that I can't know which nodelist entry follows the
 MR> FTSC docs and which one follows the undocumented feature. To resolve
 MR> this delemma we would need a new flag indicating which method applies
 MR> (standard or undocumented feature). Or we could simply follow the FTSC
 MR> documented standard.

this additional flag thing is overengineering... it isn't needed... mailers use
 the available domains listed in the specified nodelist fields... they've done
this for a long time... i tested argus/radius/taurus with multiple domains and
also POTS and they cycled through each domain and the POTS until a connection
was made... binkd does the same except that it doesn't do POTS...

 MR> These are things we have to take into account when creating zone
 MR> specific special features. They can lead to unexpected results. In
 MR> this case no nodelist-to-binkd converter is able to extract the
 MR> correct addresses because there is no way to figure out which
 MR> "standard" was used for a specific node.

really??? these 81 multiple domain entries from BINKD.TXT would seem to
disagree with you...

$ egrep -e "^Node .*;" BINKD.TXT
Node 1:103/17@fidonet   nix.synchro.net;nix.synchro.net -
Node 1:213/0@fidonet    net213.rail-city.net;71.83.99.146       -
Node 1:11/0@fidonet     ftn.rocasa.net;198.144.184.12   -
Node 1:11/11@fidonet    ftn.rocasa.net;198.144.184.12   -
Node 1:120/0@fidonet    ftn.rocasa.net;198.144.184.12   -
Node 1:120/302@fidonet  mojo.synchro.net;bbs.mojosworld.net     -
Node 1:120/310@fidonet  bbs.ghostopera.org;bbs.ghostopera.org   -
Node 1:120/544@fidonet  ftn.rocasa.net;ftn.rocasa.net;198.144.184.12    -
Node 1:120/546@fidonet  bbbs.rocasa.biz;192.210.236.220 -
Node 1:220/40@fidonet   daliscat.synchro.net;216.80.116.211     -
Node 1:227/70@fidonet   bbs.thehomesteadinghippy.com;199.21.199.227     -
Node 1:2320/200@fidonet Slasho.me_BBS;slasho.me -
Node 1:229/981@fidonet  bbs.digitalgatehouse.com;bbs.digitalgatehouse.com      
 -
Node 1:249/206@fidonet  mccarragher.org;mccarragher.org -
Node 1:249/207@fidonet  bbs.jonwatson.ca;bbs.jonwatson.ca       -
Node 1:109/201@fidonet  bbs.cyberchatnet.com;bbs.cyberchatnet.com       -
Node 1:109/567@fidonet  bbsdoors.com;www.bbsdoors.com   -
Node 1:275/96@fidonet   GCOMMLIVE.com;gcommlive.dynu.com        -
Node 1:275/100@fidonet  shenks.dyndns.org;shenks.synchro.net    -
Node 1:275/201@fidonet  bbs.cyberchatnet.com;mystic.dynu.net    -
Node 1:132/0@fidonet    net132.ddns.net;ullr.thinksnow.net      -
Node 1:132/174@fidonet  fido132174.duckdns.org;ullr.thinksnow.net       -
Node 1:340/201@fidonet  fluxcap.dynv6.net;fluxcap.synchro.net   -
Node 1:116/28@fidonet   magnum.synchro.net;magnum.synchro.net   -
Node 1:124/0@fidonet    pbmystic.rdfig.net:24555;pbmystic.rdfig.net:24:24555   
 -
Node 1:124/5014@fidonet pbmystic.rdfig.net:24555;pbmystic.rdfig.net:24:24555   
 -
Node 1:124/5015@fidonet pbmystic.rdfig.net:24554;pbmystic.rdfig.net:1023:24554 
 -
Node 1:124/5016@fidonet
ipv4.endofthelinebbs.com:24554;ipv4.endofthelinebbs.com:24554   -
Node 2:240/12@fidonet   stts.no-ip.org;stts.no-ip.org   -
Node 2:240/1120@fidonet AMBROSIA60.dd-dns.de;ambrosia60.goip.de -
Node 2:2437/224@fidonet travelbit.servebeer.com;travelbit.spdns.de      -
Node 2:2452/202@fidonet strickeranderl.org;strickeranderl.org   -
Node 2:2452/250@fidonet ftn.doene.de;ftn.doene.de       -
Node 2:25/0@fidonet     applewoodbbs.linkpc.net;81.174.171.9:   -
Node 2:250/0@fidonet    applewood.linkpc.net;81.174.171.9:      -
Node 2:250/1@fidonet    applewoodbbs.linkpc.net;81.174.171.9:   -
Node 2:250/25@fidonet   pavelreich.org;fido.pavelreich.org      -
Node 2:263/0@fidonet    applewood.linkpc.net;81.174.171.9:      -
Node 2:28/0@fidonet     fido.vlist.eu;fido4to6.vlist.eu -
Node 2:280/5555@fidonet fido.vlist.eu;fido4to6.vlist.eu -
Node 2:291/0@fidonet    fido.tsoh.be;tsoh.fidonode.be:  -
Node 2:291/1@fidonet    fido.tsoh.be;tsoh.fidonode.be:  -
Node 2:301/520@fidonet  fido.baboon.ch;fido.baboon.ch   -
Node 2:301/812@fidonet  fifi.woody.ch;fifi.woody.ch     -
Node 2:310/31@fidonet   fido.ricsi.priv.at;fido.ricsi.priv.at   -
Node 2:40/0@fidonet     server.vbd.su;2992.mooo.com:    -
Node 2:400/0@fidonet    server.vbd.su;2992.mooo.com:    -
Node 2:400/2992@fidonet server.vbd.su;2992.mooo.com:    -
Node 2:4500/0@fidonet   f1.n4500.z2.fidonet.by;f1.n4500.z2.fidonet.by   -
Node 2:4500/1@fidonet   f1.n4500.z2.fidonet.by;f1.n4500.z2.fidonet.by   -
Node 2:460/777@fidonet  188.17.156.216;f777.n460.z2.binkp.net   -
Node 2:4614/20@fidonet  cservice.ddns.ukrtel.net;cservice.ddns.ukrtel.net      
 -
Node 2:480/124@fidonet  uucp.freebsd.lublin.pl;uucp.freebsd.lublin.pl   -
Node 2:480/138@fidonet  fido.chmurka.net;fido.chmurka.net       -
Node 2:50/72@fidonet    s.system.pvt;fido72.shad.su     -
Node 2:5000/22@fidonet  f22.n5000.z2.binkp.net;f22.n5000.z2.binkp.net   -
Node 2:5010/352@fidonet f352.sage.su;f352.sage.su       -
Node 2:5020/1906@fidonet        binkp.nauchi.ru;binkp.nauchi.ru -
Node 2:5020/11200@fidonet       f11200.metal.ru;f11200.metal.ru -
Node 2:5020/4441@fidonet        195.24.225.1;fido.ym-com.net    -
Node 2:5020/540@fidonet binkd.piafi.ru;binkd.piafi.ru   -
Node 2:5020/921@fidonet fido.nln.ru;fido.nln.ru -
Node 2:5020/1313@fidonet        fido.stabilis.ru;fido.stabilis.ru       -
Node 2:5020/2142@fidonet        fido.axi.ru;fido.axi.ru -
Node 2:5020/1042@fidonet       
f1042.ru;f1042.ru;fido.delin.ru:;f1042.n5020.z2.binkp.net:      -
Node 2:5020/828@fidonet f828.n5020.z2.binkp.net;f828.n5020.z2.binkp.net -
Node 2:5020/2047@fidonet        ae-nest.com;ftn.ae-nest.com     -
Node 2:5020/2065@fidonet        f2065.no-ip.org;f2065.no-ip.org -
Node 2:5030/786@fidonet G.Style_BBS;elvete.com  -
Node 2:5030/1900@fidonet        D.J._BoaRD;ftn.kawai.spb.ru     -
Node 2:5030/1957@fidonet        fido.stpeteclub.ru;fido.stpeteclub.ru   -
Node 2:5031/77@fidonet  G.FREEMAN;188.166.66.123        -
Node 2:5061/7@fidonet   f7.n5061.z2.binkp.net;samael.chimfak.rsu.ru     -
Node 2:5061/58@fidonet  f58.n5061.z2.binkp.net;vpn.rfniias.ru   -
Node 2:5080/102@fidonet
nodelist.grumbler.org:443;binkd.node.grumbler.org:443;binkp.vashadmin.su:443   
 -
Node 2:5083/89@fidonet  ImPressed.31;vsa1987.no-ip.info -
Node 2:5090/958@fidonet fido.ridi24.ru;f958.n5090.z2.binkp.net: -
Node 2:6035/5@fidonet   f5.n6035.z2.binkp.net;f5.n6035.z2.binkp.net     -
Node 2:6056/1@fidonet   1.fido6056.int.ru;1.fido6056.int.ru     -
Node 3:712/0@fidonet    sysgod.org;ftn.sysgod.org       -
Node 3:712/848@fidonet  sysgod.org;ftn.sysgod.org       -


the distributed ARGUS.TXT also has multiple domain entries but that convertor
script seems to miss the INA entries... maybe it is protocol oriented so it
only works with the domains attached to an IP flag?? if that's the case, it
also misses the entries with the domain in the system field (not attached to a
flag) as well as those attached to the INA flag... i don't know for sure as
i've not used the convertor that scott little uses to create said distributed
file... scott would have the answer as to why argus.txt has different output
than binkd.txt...

$ egrep -e ",BND.*,BND" argus.txt
1:282/1056|"crystalp.duckdns.org",BND,CM "crystalp.duckdns.org",BND,CM
"crystalp.duckdns.org",IFC,CM
1:282/1058|"oldhabitsbbs.com",BND,CM "oldhabitsbbs.com",BND,CM
"oldhabitsbbs.com",TEL,CM "oldhabitsbbs.com",IFC,CM
1:15/4|"region15.net",BND,CM "region15.net"_24556,BND,CM
"region15.net"_60177,TEL,CM "region15.net",IFC,CM
1:132/0|"net132.ddns.net",BND,CM "ullr.thinksnow.net",BND,CM
1:132/174|"fido132174.duckdns.org",BND,CM "ullr.thinksnow.net",BND,CM
2:28/0|"fido.vlist.eu",BND,CM "fido4to6.vlist.eu",BND,CM
2:280/5555|"fido.vlist.eu",BND,CM "fido4to6.vlist.eu",BND,CM
2:5080/102|"binkd.node.grumbler.org",BND "binkd.node.grumbler.org"_443,BND


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