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Skriven 2022-01-24 02:22:22 av Alexey Vissarionov (2:5020/545)
  Kommentar till text 12348 av Oli (2:280/464.47)
Ärende: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election - Call for Nominations
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Good ${greeting_time}, Oli!

Oli... WTF is that? Looks as a catty or doggy name from here.

23 Jan 2022 13:05:02, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

 MF>>> I ask again, why are FidoNet Points excluded from being selected?
 AL>> Points are considered to be roughly equivalent to BBS users.
 AL>> Membership in the FTSC requires technical knowledge [...]
 Ol> That is some oversimplification that is not grounded in reality.
 Ol> To getting elected requires you to be a node and make your intention
 Ol> to get elected public in FTSC_PUBLIC.
 Ol> Technical knowledge is nowhere mentioned in FTA-1001

But the experience is. However, that's already appeared to be not really
enough...

 AL>> [...] technical knowledge that MOST users would not have;
 Ol> But SOME do.

The candidates MUST (as in FTA-1006) have both knowlegde _and_ experience.

 AL>> in fact even many nodes do not possess the expertise to be an
 AL>> effective FTSC member.
 Ol> in fact even many FTSC members do not possess the expertise (or
 Ol> motivation) to be an effective FTSC member.

To be honest, more than a half of today's FTSC are mentally impaired.

 AL>> That is why FTA-1001 specifies nodes that are actively involved in
 AL>> FidoNet, having put out or updated a FidoNet-related project in the
 AL>> preceding 2 years, or having experience as a Coordinator, EchoMail
 AL>> Coordinator, or mail or file Hub.
 Ol> What if, if a point has that experience?

So why that point doesn't run a node yet?

There are plenty of possibilities: IBN (at VPS|VDS), IMI... even Pvt (for
experienced technicians, who are unable to run any sort of classic node).

 Ol> Why wouldn't they qualify?

They are welcome to run a node. That's really simple, especially for really
experienced people,

 Ol> And why do nodes get elected that are running broken FTN software
 Ol> from 20 years ago?

That's a flaw in the election process: idiots _do_ sneak in, and nothing can
serve as a barrier for that.

 Ol> Why are points that are actively involved in FTN software / projects /
 Ol> technology excluded?

Involved? Where?

git clone what?
git blame who?

Actually I look only at R50 (and friendly regions like R40, R45 and R46), but
here we have a properly functioning "ladder" raising people from BBS user to
point, from point to a node etc.

Do you?

 Ol> Why are points that are having experience as a coordinator, echomail
 Ol> coordinator, or mail or file hub are excluded?

To be a ^Hub, [NRZ]C or [NRZ]EC one have to be a sysop of an individual node
first.

 Ol> Why should nodelist clerks just collect another head and then show no
 Ol> interest of achieving anything as an FTSC member?

The nodelist clerks SHOULD NOT (again as in FTA-1006) participate in FTSC.

The FTSC is for the software developers. The nodelist clerks are welcome as
invited guests here, but their voices are just colsultative, not imperative.

(If someone thinks the word "imperative" is wrong: ¨¤¨ ­ åã©).

 Ol> But that doesn't matter anyway. The FTSC is still dead and the
 Ol> election process is a farce.

- Hullo! Reanimation dept? Is Joe still alive?
- Still no.

 Ol> Happy election season!

Have fuc^Hn :-)


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