Text 3730, 74 rader
Skriven 2009-11-14 13:21:06 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 3722 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: FTSC standing member election. Votes received
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14 Nov 09 02:17, mark lewis wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>>> That may or may not stop him from bringing it up. I find the rules
 RW>>> a bit out of whack with normal election rules, but I haven't said
 RW>>> anything pro or con here.

 ml>> out of whack?

 RW>> They're not open to the 'public'...

 ml> they are not supposed to be... much like the selection of a governing
 ml> body in a biker club is not open to the public ;)

 RW>> perhaps an NC would like to make a nomination. Seeing the lack of
 RW>> RC and REC participation makes me believe that opening the
 RW>> appointments and voting to anyone interested would be welcomed.

 ml> yes and no... it could easily lead the similar crap that we are
 ml> seeing now... and let's not forget that if others were allowed to
 ml> nominate and vote, it would likely turn into a huge problem in that
 ml> they may perceive that the FTSC is "working for them" which is NOT
 ml> the case... the FTSC works for the network and the /sole/ job of the
 ml> FTSC is "documenting current practice"... there have been numerous
 ml> one selected to the FTSC in recent years that have gone "silent key"
 ml> once they found out the hard and cold fact that the FTSC does *not*
 ml> create standards but only document... yes, FTSC members can create
 ml> standards and get them in widespread use... that's never been a
 ml> problem... once those procedures reached "widespread use" then the
 ml> FTSC documented them as a FTN standard... no big deal...

 ml>> they are very similar to the australian rules, IIRC... i know they
 ml>> were based on certain aspects of other voting methods... the
 ml>> discussion about them went on for several weeks...

 ml>> what are "normal election rules"??

 RW>> Since it isn't a vote per Fidonet policy, everyone who wishes to
 RW>> participate could vote. That's how it's done in the real world.

 ml> this is fidonet... it is not the "real world" whatever that piece of
 ml> imaginary fluff that is :rolleyes: ;)

There's nothing imaginary about how things work in the real world...you
can call it fluff if you want to.

 ml>>> for a time note, said implementation was done several years before
 ml>>> the current administrator was even selected to be a member and that
 ml>>> was before he was selected to be the administrator...

 RW>>> As the administrator, it would be upon him to bring up the subject
 RW>>> in the FTSC membership, since there have been some complaints
 RW>>> heretofore. One would think that the FTSC's public image would
 RW>>> require it in the face of this election.

 ml>> those complaints are from an outsider who is simply an invited
 ml>> guest... would you take it upon yourself, as an invited guest, to
 ml>> tell a biker club (for example) that their election rules are wrong?
 ml>> ;)

 RW>> Absolutely. Who knows, perhaps they didn't realize their mistake
 RW>> until someone more learned came along and pointed it out.

 ml> perhaps... then again, perhaps one might no longer be around or able
 ml> to stick their nose into that group's business again ;)

Or they may also become the leader of that biker group and make the needed
changes...works both ways...

                R\%/itt

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