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Skriven 2006-11-14 06:26:12 av MATT CLARK (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av LEE LOFASO
Ärende: Becoming A Christian  1/3
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-> Hello Matt,
-> 
-> >MC>The president of Iran said he wants to wipe Israel off the map.
-> 
-> >LL>Israel is not a legitimate state.
-> 
-> >MC>That is the going opinion among fundamental muslims and their
-> >MC>supporters.
-> 
-> >LL>That is the going opinion of the vast majority of the world's
-> >LL>population.  Not just Muslims.
-> 
-> >MC>Jews have been in that area just about as long as anyone else.
-> 
-> >LL>The land of Palestine belongs to the original inhabitants (today
-> >LL>that would be the descendants of those original inhabitants).
-> 
-> MC>Some say that the indians are the original inhabitants of the
'Americas'.
-> MC>So I guess we should all pack up and leave. Actually, if you feel
that
-> MC>way the indians should get out because the oldest bones found on this
-> MC>continent are caucasian.
-> 
-> Some folks consider the European conquest of the Americas (especially
-> in relation to what is now the United States) to have been a genocide.

If there were mo more indians around then they might have something to rave
about.
-> 
-> >LL>Palestine has been occupied by many peoples throughout the
-> >LL>centuries.  And Jews were not the first ones there.
-> 
-> MC>Being first to occupy a land doesn't automatically give you the right
to
-> MC>exclude others.
-> 
-> Hitler had a right to invade and annex Austria/Poland/France/Etc.?

Being first to occupy a land doesn't automatically give you the right to
exclude others.
-> 
-> >LL>So who owns the land of Palestine?
-> 
-> MC>Jews and Palestinians. Jews are willing to share and have even given
-> MC>up may of their settlements to try and win the peace. All they get in
-> MC>return is unbridled hatred, terrorist attacks and kidnapings.
-> 
-> There has been far too much violence committed by both sides.  But
-> the vast majority of both peoples want peace.  Not continued violence
-> and war.  It is the leaders who are keeping the region in a perpetual
-> state of war, not the people.

People have always fought with who ever was/is next to them.
India+Pakistan, 
China+Japan , Iran+Iraq, US+Mexico, France+England, Germany+Russia, not to 
mention all the civil wars that have always occurred throughout history.
And 
the indians are no better.  More indians were killed by other indians than 
by any other race. Same with Africans. Today we can take the war to them 
before they can bring it to us, and pretty soon it will be the other way 
around.  Countries like Canada and Switzerland let other countries do their 
fighting for them.


-> 
-> >LL>While it may be true that the Jews do have a legitimate claim to
-> >LL>some of the land of Palestine, it is not an exclusive claim.
-> 
-> MC>No one said it was exclusive.
-> 
-> The Jewish leadership believes the Jews have an exclusive claim to all
-> of the land of Palestine.  And not just the land of Palestine, but all
-> of the land from the Mediterranean Sea to the Tigris and Euphrates.
-> 
-> MC>If anyone thinks they have exclusive rights to that area it's the
-> MC>people who feel Israel should be wiped off the map.
-> 
-> The Jewish leadership would like to wipe all Muslims off the face of
-> this earth.
-> 
-> >LL>Other peoples also have a legitimate claim.
-> 
-> MC>Like the Jews rightfully do.
-> 
-> The Jewish people have a *limited* claim to *some* of the land of
-> Palestine.  Other peoples also have a *limited* claim to *some* of
-> the land of Palestine.  No group or people have an exclusive claim
-> to all of the land of Palestine.

That includes the Palestinians who want Israel wiped off the map..

-> 
-> >LL>Even Orthodox Jews agree on that matter.
-> 
-> >MC>That is just totally ridiculous. How do you know?
-> 
-> >LL>I am very well-read on the subject.  And I have spoken to many Jews,
-> >LL>Muslims, and Christians on that subject.
-> 
-> MC>I too am very well read on this subject. And I too have spoken to
many
-> MC>Jews, Muslims, and Christians on that subject. Only the Muslims feel
-> the
-> MC>way you do.
-> 
-> Had you actually been "very well read on the subject" and had actually
-> "spoken to many Jews, Muslims, and Christians" then you would have known
-> that only fanatics and lunatics believe as you do.

Actually, had you actually been "very well read on the subject" and had 
actually "spoken to many Jews, Muslims, and Christians" then you would have 
known that by and large only Muslims, fanatics and lunatics believe as you 
do.

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