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Text 3919, 132 rader
Skriven 2009-03-31 02:16:34 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 3916 av Ross Sauer (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Ed must ignore this
===========================
Ross Sauer -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 RS> "Ed Hulett -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/789.0> wrote in
 RS> news:8009$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

 RS>>>>> Oh?

 RS>>>>> Doctrine and Covenants 132:61-62

 RS>>>>> [I]f any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse
 EH>>   another,and EH>>   the first RS> give her consent, and if he espouse
 EH>>   the second, and EH>>   they are virgins, and RS> have vowed to no
 EH>>   other man, then is he EH>>   justified; he cannot commit
 EH>>>> adultery
 RS>>>>> for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery
 EH>>   with EH>>   that that RS> belongeth unto him and to no one else. And
 EH>>   if he have EH>>   ten virgins given RS> unto him by this law, he
 EH>>   cannot commit EH>>   adultery, for they belong to him, RS> and they
 EH>>   are given unto him; EH>>   therefore is he justified.

 EH>>>> I already said that it is in the D&C.

 RS>>> Why was it included in the Doctrine and Covenants in the first
 EH>>   place? RS> Obvious answer: To make it official that a guy could have
 EH>>   multiple wives.

 EH>> The D&C is a collection of revelations given to Joseph Smith during
 EH>> his lifetime. Section 132 is the revelation which began the practice
 EH>> of polygamy.

 RS> "Revelations" are delusions.
 RS> "God talks to me..." Yibble yibble yibble...

 RS> Or flat-out lies.

That's your opinion.

 EH>>>> At the end of the D&C is the Manifesto given by Wilford
 EH>>   Woodruff that EH>> ended the practice of polygamy in The Church of
 EH>>   Jesus Christ of Latter EH>> Day Saints.

 RS>>> Why did he end the official Doctrine?

 EH>> Because if the practice had not ended the US government would have
 EH>> confiscated all the property of the Church. Wilford Woodruff went in
 EH>> prayer to the Lord and received revelation to end the practice.

 RS> So I guess your big guy in the sky wasn't so powerful after all.

What on earth are you talking about?

 RS> And this Woodruff guy simply made up his mind not to fight the
 RS> government, he didn't need all this prayer crapola.

And here we have more opinion from you.

 RS>>> Obvious answer: Political pressure. The US got off the Mormons'
 EH>>   ass when RS> they dumped the polygamy.

 EH>> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only Church to
 EH>> have a law passed in Congress that would have forced the Church to
 EH>> disband and all properties be confiscated by the government if they
 EH>> did not stop a practice only a small number of members were a part of.

 EH>> One day while you have nothing else to do take a look at the
 EH>> Edmond-Tucker Act of 1890.

 RS> Religious bigotry laws still exist in this country.
 RS> The Edmond-Tucker act is no exception.

Are you saying the government is bigoted against the LDS Church?

 RS> In a couple states it's illegal for non-believers to hold office. Still.

What states would that be?

 RS> Did you know NC's constitution bars atheists from holding office?

No, nor do I care. I don't live there and never will.

 RS> By Christian Dem in NC Tue Feb 24, 2009 at 05:20:51 PM EST

<snip>

 EH>> I find it hilarious that you idiots on the left are making all this
 EH>> noise about polygamy while you support same sex marriage. Why is
 EH>> polygamy bad while you and your boyfriend gettign married is good?

 RS> Under most circumstances, I say live and let live.
 RS> Some nitwit wants to marry 10 wives, let him, it's suicide for him
 RS> anyway.

Again you give an uninformed opinion.

 RS> The problem is all too often with polygamist communities, child brides
 RS> and arranged marriages become the norm, like Warren Jeff's wacko bunch.

That is a lie based on ignorance. Jeffs and his bunch are a closed society and
do not interact with the rest of society. That is why they arranged marriages
with child brides. There isn't enough women of age to marry.

 RS> Likewise with same-sex marriages.
 RS> Why should gays and lesbians be forbidden from having all the same joys
 RS> of marriage?

They already do.

 RS> You know, infidelity, money squabbles, nasty divorces, bitter custody
 RS> battles...

They already have that.

 RS> It's the *RIGHT* that wants to tell everyone who can marry, who can't,
 RS> who can have kids, who can't, etc.

Yet you and Ceppa keep trying to attack me with the polygamy issue. Does irony
have no meaning for you.

Ed

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