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Skriven 2006-11-29 18:18:06 av JOHNJWILSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MATT CLARK
Ärende: TIME TO CONNECT THE DOTS
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-> I lost count of the times when someone says something less than
favorable
-> about Mohammed where Muslims come out into the streets and vow revenge.

Do you remember in school when somebody made a slur against your mother?
How did you react?

Christians don't care when Jesus is slured?


-> American born Muslims are not quite the same...

What about he rest of the world?

 but the point still stands.

Which means your opinion remains... :-)

-> Christians take it on the chin all the time about their religion yet
they
-> are not out in the streets screaming for the death of anyone.
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Not these days... :-)
 
-> JW> Really? 
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-> This amazes you evidently.
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No, I am seldom amazed by contrary opinions...

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-> JW> Have you ever MET a Muslim?
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-> While vacationing on Mars I met three.

I have Muslem neighbors...
 
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-> JW>  Other than thinking you silly/ignorant and probably 
-> JW>  destined for hell...
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-> Whoa..  No call for that sort of thing...

That is not MY opinion, but a Muslim's ...
 
 I'm not the one attacking the 
-> 'belief' of anyone, nor am I vowing blood thirsty revenge.

Good for you.


-> Suggest you look into your own heart after making a statement like that 
-> my friend.

It is easy to misunderstand...
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-> JW>  Come to think about it, not much different than the 
-> JW>  one who take ahold of your sleeve and demands 
-> JW>  you answer the question "Do you know Christ?"
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-> MC>  When you go back far enough, all civilizations 
-> MC>  were rather brutal...
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-> JW>  Yep...and you don't have to go faar back...
-> 
-> Indeed.  Just look at much of the Muslim world in the mid east, today.
-> 
And look st their treatment by Western Civilization...

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-> MC>   99.99 of Christians would not.   I'll let you dredge up 
-> MC>   an exception, somewhere, just so you can feel better
-> MC>   about this debate you failing miserably at.
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-> JW>  At the same time, the percentage of terrorists among 
-> JW>  the 1,200,000,000 Muslims?
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-> Much much higher than it is for Christians. Christians don't blow each 
-> other's churches up.    Btw..  1% of 1 billion is 10 million.
-> Now connect that dot with the ones in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq
-> and Afghanistan...and our unsecured borders.
-> Behold the not so pretty picture.
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->    
-> MC>  'Liberal arts' professionals.  All attitude, no brains.
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-> JW>  Vs. All Brains, no heart.
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-> The point being avoided here is that most of today's so called 
-> 'progressive' attitides, or the 'new attitude' is too often born of
-> scorn,...

There is no scorn in your view of Muslims? Athiests?

Those who disagree with you?


 is often provoked and in turn fostered without too much cerebral 
-> intervention and is  often directed and wielded without much compassion 
-> involved as well.

A broad shot, and I think you missed...

(Often?)

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-> JW>  As long as we are making sweeping statements :-)
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-> Sometimes sweeping statements are appropriate.  Sometimes.
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-> MC>  Try a little open mindedness. Sometimes it helps.
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-> MC>  Always good advice.
-> 
-> Thanks.  But at the same time people too often equate an open mind with 
-> blind acceptance for everyone and everything.
-> 
->
Except for the word "blind" :-) -- that's me.

I have no problem with Hindus, Jains, Muslims, Christians, Atheists...

Taoists, Buddhists... 


-> Try the open mind on this idea. All things are not equal.  Yes, we have 
-> equal rights, but as cultures and societies go, they are not.  This idea 
-> that 'everything is equal' is just crowd please rhetortic politicians
and
-> activists use to gain public appeal/support.
-> 
Yep. That's MY plan...:-)

->   
-> MC>  This way you might have a chance at explaining how "independent
-> MC>  thinkers" like yourself are so sure that there is not an 
-> MC>  intelligent creator  out there, and how water and dirt just 
-> MC>  came together, all by itself, and produced life forms that 
-> MC>  can reproduce, look for food, and are able to identify a 
-> MC>  stuffed shirt who can only fake his way through a debate.
-> 
-> JW>  Uh....wshat part of that did you want answered?
-> 
-> Any part of which you feel you're capable of...

"Independent thinkers" like me are far more inclusive...

"So sure"? "out there"? :-)

To the first, the Church of Variable Likelihood answers that...

To the second, whatever happened to "The Kingdom of God is within you"? 






-> 
-> I was just told by our good friend, in so many words, that religious
people 
-> are not independent thinkers.  But when this individual is asked how he 
-> arrived at the idea of 'no god' by means of his 'independent thinking'
all 
-> I get is his.. arf! arf! arf!  When asked about his thoughts concerning 
-> the emergence of intelligent/ordered life from water and dirt, all I get 
-> is oink! oink! oink!   
-> 
->    Atheists base their idea of 'no god' only on the inability to prove
God 
-> exists through conventional science, nothing more.   Mean while they
ignore 
-> the ordered universe/world and the creation of life all around
them...not
-> to 
-> mention the inner workings of their own hearts and minds and how they
-> interaxct with other people and events, the likes of which 'scientists', 
-> who can't even explain gravity, are still baffled.
-> 'Real' independent thinking. 
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