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Skriven 2006-04-19 09:51:06 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
    Kommentar till text 270 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
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19 Apr 06 16:33, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Roy Witt:

 CS> *** Quoting Roy Witt from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 PL>>> What percentage of -responding- nodes voted -for-, and what
 PL>>> percentage voted -against-... this is of -responding- nodes who
 PL>>> actually particip

 CS>> Ward posted that a moment ago.  I have only his report on it.

 RW>> And there's another problem with it, we only have Ward's word for
 RW>> what went on there.

 CS> Thats true, but notice no one from that area has discounted it
 CS> either.

Maybe their not reading here. That's more than likely.

 CS> only shifted the representation to make it look like a majority based
 CS> on 310 who 'wanted something to change' out of what, 4,000 nodes?
 CS> 5,000 nodes?

That's the problem. We don't know how many there are. Just because the
nodelist count is that high, doesn't mean there are that many there.

 CS> If Russia has a probem being 'heard' due to shere innacurate nodelist
 CS> numbers, then they need to clean up their segment.

See above.

 CS> I doubt seriously that the mess is that bad that 310 people are a
 CS> 'majority' there.

I do. If the apathy that's apparent in the rest of Fidonet is the same in
their region, it's not only possible, but reasonable to assume.

 CS> Most likely surmise for now without better information was the poll
 CS> was too hairbrained radical to have the more stable main membership
 CS> reply to it.

Since there doesn't seem to be any 'other' information, it's unfair to
them to surmise anything.

 CS> Remember I've been chatting with various people there for 15 years or
 CS> more and over time have asked many questions on 'how things work'.

Maybe those aren't the people to talk to about it.

 CS> Western Z2 and eastern Z2 are very different entities on that but
 CS> mostly they split on echopol-like issues.  R50 excommunicates based
 CS> on as little as local echo ruckus and you would have been history
 CS> really fast there.

No doubt an influence put upon them by their ZC, who went outside of
policy to excommunicate an individual who caused the same problems in
Germany. No technical reasons, just social, no political reasons.

 CS> You'd have the company of at least 2 R50 sysops that I know of in
 CS> very recent times who's transgressions were *far* lighter than yours
 CS> would be percieved as.

Remember Brent Hamm? He was excommed and never left Fidonet even for one
day. I know how those ropes work too. I'd certainly be willing to teach
them to those two R50 sysops.


Roy
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