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Text 429, 173 rader
Skriven 2006-04-23 16:04:35 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
    Kommentar till text 356 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: none
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21 Apr 06 09:44, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV> Hello Roy.

 MvdV> 20 Apr 06 12:36, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>>>>> They'd still be subject to policy no matter what number
 MvdV>>>>> stands before the colon.

 RW>>>> Their own...it doesn't have to comply with P4 at all.

 MvdV>>> Zonal or regional policies may not conflict with P4.

 RW>> P4, as it stands, is a draconian policy that was perhaps applied to
 RW>> Fidonet in it's day, but it's a completely useless, technically
 RW>> illiterate document today.

 MvdV> And the most recent and most likely last attempt ever to change it
 MvdV> was scuttled by a handful of vindictive Z1 guys

Nope. It was scuttled by one man and one man only...Ward Dossche.

 MvdV>  who'd rather see destruction than Ward beig credited with what no
 MvdV> one had ever managed to do before: get enough RC's together.

LOL! You're so full of it, it's stained your shorts.

 RW>> That's why ZMH isn't enforced anymore.

 MvdV> Then why all the broohaha about the need to move to a another zone
 MvdV> in order to get a more comfortable ZMH?

ZMH is dead, get over it. I don't know why you think it's so important,
even with a 9 hour time span it can all be done in one hour*. The new Z6C
creates the ZMH hour for it's own zone, so it can be set to suite their
needs. They don't even have to worry about pleasing you, it's their zone,
afterall.

*Z2's ZMH isn't set at an hour that benefits Z1, and by the same token, Z6
doesn't have to set theirs to suite Z2.

 RW>>>> They can do as they please, which is exactly what I expect them
 RW>>>> to do.

 MvdV>>> Then you expect them to leave Fidonet completely.

The way you're going on about sticking your nose in it, that's exactly
what they'll do. No doubt, they don't want to hear your arguements.

 RW>> Yeup.

 MvdV> If that is what they wanted they should - and would - have done it
 MvdV> ten years ago when it still mattered.

They were always cowtowed by you and your favorite ZC...

 MvdV>>> Yes, of course they can do that. But I do not expect more than
 MvdV>>> a handfull of dissidents to even consider that. Even Vladimir
 MvdV>>> Donskoy does not want to leave FidoNet.

 RW>> Of course he doesn't. But it will happen if they're denied now.

 MvdV> There will always bee dissidents.  It is no use trying to give them
 MvdV> what they wants. If you appease them, they will come up with new
 MvdV> demands and eventually they will leave anyway. Might as well let
 MvdV> them go right away.

That's what I've been saying all along.

 MvdV>>>>> Yes, they couk, write a zone policy. as they can write a
 MvdV>>>>> region policy now. Germany did that.

 RW>>>> They can write anything they want to write.

 MvdV>>> Not if they want to stay in FidoNet.

 RW>> You mean,  not if Fidonet wants them to stay.

 MvdV> See above: no use to try to appease dissidents.

Especially when they're faced with people who flog them with P4 and
insignificant ZMH issues.

 RW>> At this point, Fidonet and it's draconian policy is a dead issue.

 MvdV> FidoNet - with or without P4 - is a dead issue.

P4 and the abuse by *Cs made it that way.

 MvdV> Has been for almost a decade now. a handfull of dissidents won't
 MvdV> change that.

If they control their own zone, they will.

 MvdV>>>>> Then they are trying to kill a musquito with a cannon.

 RW>>>> Sometimes great earth shattering movements are required to move
 RW>>>> a mole hill.

 MvdV>>> Sometimes it is better to just let the molehill be.

 RW>> That'd be nice, but there are the political factions who won't do
 RW>> that.

 MvdV> You apparently being one of tose political factions....

I'm not going on and on like one certain P4 'thumper' - clubbing them over
the head with that ancient document - aka you...

 MvdV>>> In case it turns out to be the tip of something you'd rather
 MvdV>>> had left alone had you known what you were doing....

 RW>> I'm not blind to the situation.

 MvdV> Yep, an eye like a telescope to find a spot to stir up trouble...

And a thorn in your side because that's exactly what you're doing. It's a
good think your nose doesn't have glue on it, it'd be stuck with the pages
of P4 on it.

 RW>> I'm looking at what I know is the problem in Z2,

 MvdV> You have no idea what the problem in Z2 is.

The first one is Ward Dossche. The 2nd one is you.

 MvdV> There is no problem in Z2 other tha a handful of dissidents raising
 MvdV> their voice.  Nothing new.

LOL! Tell that to them.

 RW>> one that won't go away without someone giving into what
 RW>> the majority of Z2 wants.

 MvdV> You have no idea wnat the majority in Z2 wants. You are trying to
 MvdV> talk a pub fight into a civil war.

I don't need to do any talking for them to already think of a civil war,
they said so long before you made that rediculous claim.

 MvdV>>>>> Right. So we would still have ONE zone that was the biggest
 MvdV>>>>> by far and five others each consisting of less than 5% of the
 MvdV>>>>> total.

 RW>>>> Exactly. Then the Russians can run things.

 MvdV>>> They already are running things....

 RW>> Not here.

 MvdV> They are running thIngs in their own region now.

Hopefully they're ignoring you and Dossche.

 MvdV> Giving them their own zone will give them a say in the running of
 MvdV> *your* affairs to.

That's fine.

 MvdV> Via a voice in the ZCC. They will probably claim the IC position.

They can't claim what they haven't got the votes for. Unless of course
you and Dossche have pounded Dosshe's "biggest zone population gets the
most votes" bullshit.

 MvdV> Be careful what you wish for...

I wish you and Dossche would go fly a kite and quit meddling with Fidonet.


Roy
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