Text 1615, 178 rader
Skriven 2004-10-12 10:51:58 av Maurice Kinal (1:153/401.1)
   Kommentar till text 1611 av Chip Hearn (1:3613/52)
Ärende: Re: Getting grubby
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Hey Chip!

Oct 12 00:54 04, Chip Hearn wrote to Maurice Kinal:

 CH> Well, I'm not a "Pirate" as you seem to think, I'm also not a
 CH> Commercial operation, but I do video editing.

I didn't say you were but I know that most Windows users who are interested in
that type of stuff are.  Same with kids on the internet who cut and paste stuff
into a wordprocessor to print off school assignments.

 CH> Some of my clients are
 CH> Lawyers and they take video depositions, and need to be able to edit 
 CH> the
 CH> depositions before the deposition is submitted into evidence in 
 CH> court.

I suppose so.  Not a problem, is it?

 CH> Because of my knowledge in this area, and being a musician, I also do
 CH> video's for local bands and such.  Of course, I could use MAC which 
 CH> is
 CH> better adapted to video than either Linux or Windows.

Makes sense to me.  Good idea.

 CH> But, for the
 CH> price... Windows is alot cheaper in all areas.  Yea, there are Linux
 CH> applications, but, they are not free, nor cheap. Both of which 
 CH> Windows
 CH> applications are.

Yep.  Again, not a problem is it?  Anyhow I do know that movies like "Star
Wars", or instance, were made using a Cray, using Unix.  I've also been to
supercomputer trade shows in the past where all these types of graphics,
digital movies such as a Venus fly-by made from satellite radar data, were made
using Unix software on a supercomputer.  Not one bit of MS software to be seen.

 CH> Only to you are they "Broken".  To me, they are faster loading, 
 CH> faster
 CH> drawing.  

Sounds good.  None of that matters to me.

 CH> I'm not an accountant, but I'm a small business owner and I have to 
 CH> do
 CH> my own accounting.  GNU Cash, which is the only software currently
 CH> available on the same level as say Quickbooks or Quicken, is sorely
 CH> lacking.  

No doubt about that here.  I also doubt it ever will be but you never know for
sure.

 CH> I currenly use the Pinnacle hardware/software, which works quite 
 CH> well,
 CH> and is very easy to use.  Its also not very expensive in the realm 
 CH> that
 CH> its intended.

Right.  My neighbour has that as well.

 CH> Any recent hardware.  Why do you call it crap?  Its the latest and
 CH> greatest.  Its incredible hardware here lately...  Video cards with 
 CH> 256+
 CH> megs of memory...  how is that crap?

8M is more then enough for me.  I got video working on framebuffers, no X in
sight.  Works excellent.  Also got mplayer doing the DVD stuff but had to use a
cvs version of DirectFB to get a proper mga driver working with the 2.6 kernels
again.  The mga_vid supplied by mplayer works excellent with 2.4 kernels. 
Great stuff.  Way better then anything on Windows without doubt.  You can keep
that latest and greatest.  I'll stick with my Matrox G200.  I really like it.

 CH> No, I'm mistaken, it hasn't lit a candle yet. :)

For the kiddie toys you are right.

 CH> Here you are probably sadly mistaken.  I've been in the business for 
 CH> a
 CH> very long time.  I was running AIX back in the 70's, before this
 CH> upstart Linux ever showed its face.

Sounds good.  How come you still aren't? 

 CH> So, don't tell me to stick with Windows.

:-)  Hey it got a rise out of you.

 CH> Its not killing it, its called "End of Life".

Ah!  Another good idea.

 CH> Its similar to the Linux updates... You have Slackware 3.5, 
 CH> great,
 CH> you have Slackware 10, great.

Yeah.  That happens.

 CH> So, if you were running Windows NT 4.0 Workstation, and upgraded to 
 CH> XP,
 CH> so what?

The cost as well as they have yet to provide anything of interest to me. 
Compilers cost way too much money especially seeing it won't be supported for
long.

 CH> Then, lets look at the file systems... in Linux, there was EXT2, then 
 CH> EXT3 and now Riserfs.  In MS's world there was Fat16, Fat32, and 
 CH> NTFS.

Not comparable methinks but I do get the idea.

 CH> As in Linux, if you compile your system to do so, you can read all
 CH> three in the newer versions.  Same thing in MS...  You going to tell 
 CH> me
 CH> that a Slackware 3.5 system is backwards compatiable?  Yea, right.  

No but my hack is compatible to anything coming from a 3.5 box.  Not an issue
here.

 CH> And why would I even consider sending them to you?  You wouldn't have
 CH> anywhere near the cash to cover it.  :)

Probably.   Even if I did I doubt they'd have what I'm looking for.

 CH> Keep dreaming then.  As the threat grows, the usage grows, the 
 CH> exploits
 CH> found, the nightmare that MS is going through now will repeat in 
 CH> history
 CH> on the Linux side.

Possibly.

 CH> Haha... oh... thats funny... Label makers...  

That is what we used them for way back when.  No serious computing ever
happened on them.

 CH> And how would you propose to get a client to agree to switch from a
 CH> Windows netowrk to a Linux network.

I wouldn't.  I tell them to stick with Windows.

 CH> Come on... Its your elitism speaking again...

If you say so.  I use Linux because it does what I need it to do.  I've always
preferred Unix and C.  Those both happen in Linux.  It is all there and if it
isn't I take the time to make it happen if it is worth it to me to have it
happen.

 CH> Take the 
 CH> blinders
 CH> off... over 90% of the world is using Windows networked.

Right on!  I wish them all the best.

 CH> that many be wrong.  Are you proposing that your smarter than 90% of 
 CH> the
 CH> world?  haha... I think not.  

No.  I don't really care one way or the other.  Should I?

 CH> What distro do you use?  

A hacked Slackware.  I like it muchly.  Having a few problems but am ironing
them out as I go along.

 CH> I do, if you'll notice the tag line below.... Even my Notebook that I
 CH> use to read/reply to messages on my BBS is Linux.  :)

Yeah it works really good for this for sure.  Way better then any Windows box I
have ever run across.

Life is good,
Maurice

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