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Skriven 2005-09-22 22:15:00 av MARTIN ATKINS (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av CHARLES ANGELICH
Ärende: software for linspire
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-=> CHARLES ANGELICH wrote to MARTIN ATKINS <=-

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 CA>> I'm guessing that you already know this but it might be
 CA>> worth pointing out to non-programmers that want to _use_
 CA>> the Linspire install longer than the time it takes to
 CA>> locate another 'distro' to install that using apt-get
 CA>> might trash the OS?

 MA> I have never used Debian,

 CA> Linspire is not Debian, it originated from Debian code
 CA> (apparently). Not being truly 'debian' means that binaries
 CA> mixed into a Linspire install my cause problems (dependencies
 CA> etc.).

That is a risk best assessed by the user. They may feel that they wish
to build on top of the Linspire public release. Most DOS/Win users
will eventually screw up their first few installs of Linux. It is no 
different to DOS/Win in the respect that you can always go back to 
ground zero and reinstall the original system and reassess your tactics.
I can't comment on Dabian but my systems use RPMs. If any dependence's
are missing the installation will fail and the missing dependence's
will be listed.
 
 MA> my systems are Redhat or Mandrake(Mandriva). I could
 MA> subscribe to Mandrake and upgrade via something called CVS.
 MA> I prefer to just find anything i want on the net, RPM if
 MA> possible but the source code is ok for me. Others may not
 MA> share my confidence and prefer the security of subscribing.

 CA> The people using the Win95 echo who downloaded the free
 CA> Linspire OS are not programmers and have no knowledge of
 CA> recompiling source code for a linux installed OS. They intend
 CA> to mix Debian binaries with Linspire binaries.

For a start you do not recompile you compile source code. You do
not have to be a programmer to compile source code. And as far
as i know there is no such thing as a Linspire binary. 

As i said coming from a DOS/Win background i can counter 
misinformation spread by the likes of you and i hope, give those
who wish to migrate from Win to Linux some helpful pointers.

 MA> The point is i am doing nothing wrong. I get my upgrades
 MA> via magazines and have my own collection of RPMs and
 MA> sources on one of my remote servers. It suits me to do it
 MA> this way. Does this stop Mandriva from earning a crust?
 MA> Does this make me a free loader?

 CA> As much a free loader as I might be using a BBS that asks for
 CA> 'donations' (which are supposed to be optional) and not making
 CA> a 'donation'.

Ed like all the sysops who i have had the privilege of using their 
services asks only that people help support the service he provides if
they can. Some do some don't. He doesn't seem to mind if they can't. 
He seems happy that people enjoy themselves. You however are unique in 
that you accuse someone of being a crook for using freely available 
software under the same circumstance. You are a hypocrite.

 CA>> A quote from one source:

 CA>> "You are NOT required to subscribe to CNR. You can use
 CA>> apt-get with Debian repositories if you desire, but you
 CA>> can't use both CNR and apt-get, as using apt-get will
 CA>> eventually break CNR and could hose your system. Using
 CA>> apt-get will also eventually turn your Linspire system
 CA>> more into a pure Debian system than Linspire OS."

 MA> Hosing the system is a risk some may be willing to take. If
 MA> a subscriber feels comfortable enough to go cut the
 MA> Linspire umbilical cord and go pure Debian, does that make
 MA> them free loaders, are they wrongly depriving the Linspire
 MA> team of their income? Their original distro came via
 MA> Linspire but they have decided to do things their own way.
 MA> Does it matter where they get their updates from?

 CA> Linspire was generous enough to offer a free copy of the OS and
 CA> was 'repaid' for that generosity when one of the people
 CA> recommended not paying even the $20 for access to 2000 software
 CA> packages tailored for that OS. I would say under the
 CA> circumstances that attitude is a bit vulgar.

He never said anything of the kind. Your accusation that he was indulging
in unethical behavior was the true vulgarity.

 CA>> It was also pointed out that CNR automatically points the
 CA>> user to the proper binaries for their _version_ of the
 CA>> Linspire OS so that if Linspire goes to v6 at some point
 CA>> those with the FREE v5 could continue to add software by
 CA>> using CNR rather than apt-get from Debian's repositories.

 MA> We are both slightly in the dark but surely the Linspire
 MA> team could give subscribers password authentication. If
 MA> they don't re-subscribe then their account expires.

 CA> True.

 CA> This discussion of where/how to add to the Linspire install
 CA> began because the offer to 'bypass CNR' appeared to be a way to
 CA> hack into Linspire's paid-for repositories. 

It only appeared that way to _you_. That's because as usual you thought
you had an excuse to take the moral high ground and put another poster
down.   
 
 CA> It wasn't until I called the person on it that he elaborated 
 CA> explaining he was directing people to Debian's repositories 
 CA> which are not paid for. Not typing what you are thinking can 
 CA> confuse people who can only read what you type.

For someone who likes to take the moral high ground it seems strange
that you do not feel that lying is immoral. This is his original post
with no editing by me.

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 System: Doc's Place Bbs Online
   Area: WIN95
   Date: 09-14-05 11:30
   From: CHARLES SCAGLIONE
     To: ALL
   Subj: Linspire 5.0
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After playing with Linspire 5.059 for a bit, I must say I'm impressed
with the amount of care put into it.  Certainly has a pretty face and
very easy to setup for a Linux distro.

However, there are several things about it I find not to my liking:

1.  The only file system it will use is ReiserFS.  (It can read\write
to other Linux file systems and FAT 12, 16, 32)

2.  Obtaining and installing software.

If anyone is interested, I can show them how to legally overcome 2
above without using the pay service.  Either send me email or post a
question to me in the Linux echo.

Regards.

chscag at gmail dot com

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