Text 6368, 166 rader
Skriven 2006-06-20 19:16:03 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 6367 av Maurice Kinal (1:140/13.1)
Ärende: installing Linux with eCS
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:06:22 +0000
"Maurice Kinal -> Ed Hulett" <1:140/13.1> wrote:

 MK> Hey Ed!

 MK> Jun 20 17:54 06, Ed Hulett wrote to Maurice Kinal:

 EH>> No, it was not the most honest.

 EH>> They *DO* have the Linux kernel! Just because the kernel is
 EH>> pre-compiled doesn't make it any less Linux.

 MK> Nor does that in itself make it truely Linux.  The only people who
 MK> have claim is the Linux kernel and is found in source form at either
 MK> www.kernel.org or ftp.kernel.org.  I have yet to see a precompiled
 MK> kernel there.  Have you?

No, they aren't the only people who have the claim for the name
"Linux". Linus Torvolds has that authority.

kernel.org isn't the only repository for Linux.

 MK> Thus my answer still stands as the MOST honest answer as to what
 MK> constitutes Linux.

Alan didn't ask for your opinion on what constitutes Linux. He asked
specifically if he could safely dual boot Linux and eCS (OS/2) and if
his 40GB unallocated partition was large enough for it.

 EH>> What makes you think it is only Linux if you have to compile the
 EH>> kernel?

 MK> I didn't say that, but that is the MOST honest Linux.  :-)

Yes you did. And no it isn't.

 EH>> Good grief! With Ubuntu, you have several kernels to choose
 EH>> from.

 MK> Same with every other distribution, especially the major ones.

Yes.

 EH>> default the basic kernel is installed during the initial
 EH>> install. You can then choose one of several pre-compiled
 EH>> kernels that best fit your
 EH>> system.

 MK> The usual case.  So far nothing different about that.

Then, what IS your problem?

 EH>> For instance, with the x86 install, the i386 kernel is
 EH>> installed by default Once you are up and running, you can
 EH>> choose from several other kernels. On this system (dual P-III
 EH>> 1.0MHz) I installed the i686 SMP kernel for multiple Intel
 EH>> processors. There are several others I will not list here.

 MK> Same as the others.

As I noted in the last sentence above.

 MK>>> Always have, always will.  That is the proper way.

 EH>> Good grief! Just because that's the way it has been done in the
 EH>> past doesn't make it "the proper way."

 MK> It is here.  Always have, always will.

Where, your house?

 MK> Thus proper.  If you decide
 MK> to go with whatever the distribution of choice provides then I
 MK> suppose that is the proper way there.  However that doesn't always
 MK> work and therefore knowing how to build your own kernels makes you
 MK> superior, Linuxie speaking, given it is a tried and true method of
 MK> granting yourself a muchly superior system then any distribution can
 MK> provide, including the best which is Slackware.

Slackware isn't the best by any stretch.

Your statement "...makes you superior..." shows just where your head
is... in the clouds.

 EH>> You are way behind the times.

 MK> Come see my systems in action and then say that.

I'm sure they are all "superior" just like you. <yawn>

 EH>> No you didn't. Linux has come a long way since the days you had
 EH>> to compile your own kernel.

 MK> No it hasn't.  All they supply is the source.  Not one precompiled
 MK> kernel there.  Check it out.

www.kernel.org isn't the only source for Linux.

 EH>> Because that isn't the way it's done any longer. Linux is a
 EH>> mainstream
 EH>> OS now.

 MK> True.  It is the only one here, custom kernels and all.

Good for you.

 EH>> It does work! I'm running it right now.

 MK> Sounds great.

And I didn't even compile a thing. Imagine that.

 EH>> Total bull. You didn't tell him the truth as it pertains to the
 EH>> current
 EH>> state of Linux.

 MK> Yes I did.  Check it out.  If you find a precompiled kernel available
 MK> for download at kernel.org please point it out.

As I have said repeatedly, www.kernel.org isn't the only source for
Linux. There are hundreds of distributions available.

 EH>> Says anyone familiar with the reality of Linux today.

 MK> Then they are all wrong.

I suppose you think you are the only one right.

 EH>> for the respective systems it is aimed at. Ubuntu is one of the
 EH>> most popular distros now and like many others is aimed at
 EH>> bringing more people into the Linux community.

 MK> Good for them.  I wish them all the luck in the world.

Sure you do.

 EH>> To tell them that they have to compile their kernel to make it
 EH>> work is
 EH>> just an elitist attempt to discourage the growth Linux has
 EH>> enjoyed in recent years.

 MK> I never said he had to.  The kernel *IS* Linux!  The rest of any
 MK> distribution other then the kernel is whatever, usually GNU but not
 MK> all.

Most distros come with several packages to make the experience
enjoyable.

Making the claim that it isn't Linux unless you get it from kernel.org
is misleading. The availability of several software packages does not
make it not Linux. It is still Linux and behaves as such. The software
packages are aimed to make things easier and more enjoyable.

There isn't much the average user can do with just the raw kernel.

Ed

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