Text 3534, 154 rader
Skriven 2012-10-29 15:25:47 av RD Sandman
Ärende: Re: Billy Graham
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SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net> wrote in
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> On Oct 29, 10:08˙am, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>> SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote in news:a1c9c14c-5964-4573-a23b-
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>> > On Oct 28, 12:17˙am, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
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>> >> In article <uq4js.65769$9H4.6...@fx17.am4>,
>> >> ˙"R. Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > On 10/14/2012 11:05 AM, Fred^4 wrote:
>> >> > > So the Billy Graham Christian rightard's web site notes that
>> >> > > the Mormon hate cult is a cult, then when the insane Christian
>> >> > > shitbox endorses his fellow Christian shitbox Mitt Rmoney, the
>> >> > > rightard scrubbed his Billy Graham web site of every mention
>> >> > > of Rmoney bein 
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>> >> > > a cultist.
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>> >> > > Amusing. :) Republicans are such shitting idiots and liars.
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>> >> > I'm an independant. I have, in the past, voted for the least of
>> >> > the 
>> two
>> >> > evils.
>> >> > In this case I will be voting for Romney. I don't like him, but
>> >> > he is not the worse!
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>> >> What would Obama do that is worse than destroying Medicare and
>> >> Social Security?
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>> > Not to mention adding to the national debt to the tune of 4.8
>> > trillion dollars in the next 5 years?
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>> Are you really that stupid?
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> *You* are, apparently.
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>> Your messiah
> 
> Nobody here considers Obama to be a "messiah."  It's a symptom of your
> overworked imagination that you think we *do*.
> 
>>  promised to have the budget deficit.
> 
> Yes.  Before the full extent of G.W. Bush's depredations to the
> economy were known.  Those only came to light *after* Obama took
> office.
> 
>> Instead he has increased
>> the debt by more than 50% to 16 trillion dollars from 10 trillion in
>> 2009 
> .
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> Most of that accrues to spending done by the Bush Administration.  An
> administration's fiscal policies overlap with the policies of a new
> administration by as much as 3 years, in case you don't know.

Do you feel that then that much of Bush's debt actually  belongs to some 
of Clinton's fiscal policies?  After all, Clinton wanted 8 million new 
homeowners during his administration so he pushed and signed the final 
deregulation act, Gramm-Leach-Bliley in a rose garden ceremony in 1999.  
Bush thought that was good so he pushed for 5.5 million more new 
homeowners.  Between their push and greed in the housing and finance 
inducstries, they convinced Joe Newhomeowner that with an adjustable rate 
mortgage he could afford that $400K dreamhome on his $60K annual salary.

  As huge
> an economy as that of the U.S. doesn't screech to a halt in January
> every 4 years.
> 
> The fact remains, whatever your protestations, that Bush was handed a
> *surplus*, 

No, he wasn't.  He was handed a "budget projection" that would have held 
true if the things it was projected on had come true.  I grant you that 
it didn't have two wars ($1T) in it, a taxcut ($5.129T over 10 years) and 
Medicare Part D in it.   Now, Obama is continuing the War in Afghanistan, 
got the troops out of Iraq on Bush's schedule, and extended those 
taxcuts, plus adding another 2% taxcut from the payroll tax.

Clinton had a **budget** surplus his last two years but not an overall 
one.  The debt continued to rise.

which he managed to turn into an 11-trillion-dollar deficit
> in a mere 8 years,

Excuse me, but when Bush took office the national debt left to him by 
Clinton was $5.7T (01/20/01).  When Obama took office (01/20/09) it was 
$10.6T.  The difference is $4.9T not $11T.  Did you flunk basic math or 
history?

 with 2 unfunded wars, a huge tax cut, and a
> giveaway to Big Pharma in the guise of a prescritpion drug benefit
> under Medicare D.

See above.  At least you got those things right.
 
> Obama has managed to *stop* the hemorrhage of jobs and turn around the
> economy.  Aside from the badly-needed stimulus - which was too small
> by about 66% - he has actually spent quite abstemiously.

That stimulus requirement changes from it was OK to 66% depending on who 
is talking about it.  Most estimates say that if it was too small, the 
difference should have been about 30% - Paul Krugman.
 
> And where were *you*, my fiine friend, when G.W. Bush was running up
> all that debt?  Gleefully hoarding your tax break, is my guess.

Have you sent in more money than what the law and the IRS requires?  If 
not, you are as guilty as Romney.

>> At what point will it occur to you that just because you say it
>> doesn't mean that noone knows what is actually happening?
> 
> Oh, I know you *think* you know what is actually happening.  The
> problem is that you think what you hear on Faux News is "truth."

Much of it is.  Just like not all of what you hear on CNN is the truth 
and virtually little of what you hear on MSNBC is. 


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Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President, 

And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

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