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Text 11711, 245 rader
Skriven 2006-06-21 11:52:34 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 11710 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: PCI hardware ID
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Incomplete, absolutely.  Only devices with drivers available have IDs =
known.  An ID that is unknown is still one that is identified.  Are you = just
complaining that Windows and/or Windows Update do not have drivers = for all
devices that exist in the world?  Of course they don't.

Rich

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message =
news:4499947b@w3.nls.net...
  >   Must be an issue with the NICs you buy.

  Nope, the only one I've ever seen it identify correctly is the =
Intel/Dec=20
  11240 type. (older than the hills in other words)

  >I have never had a problem.  In any case, any problem is with the =
hardware.=20
  >The >hardware identifies itself to the OS and anyone else.  Unless =
the=20
  >hardware >provides a bad ID there is no problem.

  Or the OS has in incomplete/incorrect list to match up to...

  --=20
  Bob Comer





  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:44999326$1@w3.nls.net...
     Must be an issue with the NICs you buy.  I have never had a =
problem.  In=20
  any case, any problem is with the hardware.  The hardware identifies =
itself=20
  to the OS and anyone else.  Unless the hardware provides a bad ID =
there is=20
  no problem.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message=20
  news:44973abc$1@w3.nls.net...
    WinXP *rarely* gets a PCI NIC right...

    --=20
    Bob Comer


    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:44971e38@w3.nls.net...
       Not correct.  I do expect a PC to automatically detect any off =
the=20
  shelf
    adapter that is plugged in.  I do not expect that all drivers will =
be
    automatically available but that is a distinct issue from =
recognizing the
    hardware.  If I have a device without a driver Windows can still =
tell me
    exactly what that device is.  Windows will offer to automatically =
search=20
  for
    the driver if it is not available and for me often finds those =
drivers.=20
  If
    the hardware vendors choose they can have their drivers made =
available=20
  that
    way.

    Rich

      "Don Hills" <black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:zY5kEtgaX2wD092yn@attglobal.net...
      In article <4493558b$1@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
      >   You don't expect a mainframe to automatically detect any off =
the
      >shelf adapter that is plugged in.  The PC could go back to the =
dark=20
  ages
      >too as this is how things used to be when the PC first came to =
be.

      You don't expect a PC to automatically detect any off the shelf =
adapter
    that
      is plugged in, either. A device driver has to be present that will
    recognise
      the adapter's ID or that the adapter is plug compatible with =
another.=20
  OS/2
      and Windows 9x have device drivers that recognise plug compatible
    adapters.
      The c.s.i.p.h folks are currently running tests using the Windows =
9x=20
  Spock
      SCSI driver for the dozen or so plug compatible Micro Channel SCSI
    adapters
      from various manufacturers that are known to exist.

      --=20
      Don Hills



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Incomplete, =
absolutely.&nbsp; Only=20
devices with drivers available have IDs known.&nbsp; An ID that is = unknown
is=20
still one that is identified.&nbsp; Are you just complaining that = Windows
and/or=20
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  <DIV>"Robert Comer" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4499947b@w3.nls.net">news:4499947b@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>&g=
t;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Must be an issue with the NICs you buy.<BR><BR>Nope, the only one I've =
ever=20
  seen it identify correctly is the Intel/Dec <BR>11240 type. (older =
than the=20
  hills in other words)<BR><BR>&gt;I have never had a problem.&nbsp; In =
any=20
  case, any problem is with the hardware. <BR>&gt;The &gt;hardware =
identifies=20
  itself to the OS and anyone else.&nbsp; Unless the <BR>&gt;hardware=20
  &gt;provides a bad ID there is no problem.<BR><BR>Or the OS has in=20
  incomplete/incorrect list to match up to...<BR><BR>-- <BR>Bob=20
  Comer<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:44999326$1@w3.nls.net">news:44999326$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Must be an issue with the NICs you buy.&nbsp; I have never had a=20
  problem.&nbsp; In <BR>any case, any problem is with the =
hardware.&nbsp; The=20
  hardware identifies itself <BR>to the OS and anyone else.&nbsp; Unless =
the=20
  hardware provides a bad ID there is <BR>no =
problem.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  "Robert Comer" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"news:44973abc$1@w3.nls.net">news:44973abc$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  WinXP *rarely* gets a PCI NIC right...<BR><BR>&nbsp; -- <BR>&nbsp; Bob =

  Comer<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:44971e38@w3.nls.net">news:44971e38@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Not correct.&nbsp; I do expect a PC to automatically detect any off =
the=20
  <BR>shelf<BR>&nbsp; adapter that is plugged in.&nbsp; I do not expect =
that all=20
  drivers will be<BR>&nbsp; automatically available but that is a =
distinct issue=20
  from recognizing the<BR>&nbsp; hardware.&nbsp; If I have a device =
without a=20
  driver Windows can still tell me<BR>&nbsp; exactly what that device =
is.&nbsp;=20
  Windows will offer to automatically search <BR>for<BR>&nbsp; the =
driver if it=20
  is not available and for me often finds those drivers. =
<BR>If<BR>&nbsp; the=20
  hardware vendors choose they can have their drivers made available=20
  <BR>that<BR>&nbsp; way.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"Don=20
  Hills" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com">black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:zY5kEtgaX2wD092yn@attglobal.net">news:zY5kEtgaX2wD092yn@attg=
lobal.net</A>...<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  In article &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:4493558b$1@w3.nls.net">4493558b$1@w3.nls.net</A>&gt;, =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; You don't =
expect a=20
  mainframe to automatically detect any off the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;shelf=20
  adapter that is plugged in.&nbsp; The PC could go back to the dark=20
  <BR>ages<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;too as this is how things used to =
be when=20
  the PC first came to be.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You don't expect a =
PC to=20
  automatically detect any off the shelf adapter<BR>&nbsp;=20
  that<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is plugged in, either. A device driver has =
to be=20
  present that will<BR>&nbsp; recognise<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the =
adapter's ID=20
  or that the adapter is plug compatible with another.=20
  <BR>OS/2<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and Windows 9x have device drivers that =

  recognise plug compatible<BR>&nbsp; adapters.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
The=20
  c.s.i.p.h folks are currently running tests using the Windows 9x=20
  <BR>Spock<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SCSI driver for the dozen or so plug=20
  compatible Micro Channel SCSI<BR>&nbsp; adapters<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
from=20
  various manufacturers that are known to =
exist.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Don =
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