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Text 15549, 277 rader
Skriven 2007-01-21 16:45:56 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15547 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Content protection
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Nonsense.  Region coding, encryption (e.g. CSS), expiring content =
(e.g. DivX) are examples that existed without pre-existing support from =
software vendors.  These and the other forms of restrictions all exist =
because the content providers require it.  Microsoft, Apple, real as = well as
CE vendors (e.g. Pioneer, Creative, Apple) support it only = because it is
required to even play the game.  Without it you can only = sit on the outside
and watch.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:45b407ba@w3.nls.net...
  My point is it is the vendors who enable features like content =
expiration=20
  who are responsible, not the people who requested it, but the people =
like=20
  Microsoft who make it real.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b405a9$1@w3.nls.net...
     The implementation in Windows is a framework with a set of =
capabilities=20
  necessary to meet the requirements of not just HD-DVD but other =
content as=20
  well.  It is not a hard coded implementation of any specific =
requirements.=20
  This is necessary to allow Windows to be  a platform for playback of =
as much=20
  content as possible.

     Your example of expiration is something that doesn't apply to =
HD-DVD, or=20
  at least I don't think so but I could be wrong.  I'm not at all =
familiar=20
  with what AACS allows.  It is something that applies to distributable =
audio=20
  and video content.  If you see it used, you should contact the content =

  provider and/or licensor to ask why.  FWIW, an expiration date has =
been=20
  supported since version 1.0 or WMDRM released in 1999.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45b3c20f$1@w3.nls.net...
    If the content protection in vista goes above and beyond that found =
on=20
  HDDVD
    players then can you really claim it was just to support protections
    mandated by the content? For example if vista allows downloading =
content
    that expires after a week, you can't possibly be serious that vista =
isn't
    directly responsible for extending the capabilities of HD-DVD =
content
    protection.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b2f6e3$1@w3.nls.net...
       The extra CPU is to support the protections mandated by the =
content.=20
  The
    additional functionality is the ability to render that content at =
all.  If
    you don't want to play protected content such as HD-DVD or bluray =
then you
    should care that increased CPU is required to do so.  If you do want =
to=20
  play
    such content then you should be pleased that it is possible.

    Rich

      "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:45b2ec71$1@w3.nls.net...
      The Vista team is hallucinating equating additional CPU cycles =
used for
    drm
      with additional functionality for consumers.

      from the link
      ------------------------------------------------------------
      Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU =
resource
      consumption?

      Yes.  However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable, as =
the PC
      provides consumers with additional functionality.
      -------------------------------------------------------------

      "John Beamish" <JLBeamish@rogers.com> wrote in message
      =
news:op.tmhkksu1m6tn4t@dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
      > In this vein ... there was the story that Vista imposed DRM in =
such a
      > manner that if (for example) you were listening to a CD that was =

  subject
      > to DRM and you were a technician viewing (according to this =
example) a
      > digital x-ray that the x-ray would be degraded to the same =
extent that
    DRM
      > required the CD to be degraded.
      >
      > The Windows Vista team replied here:
      >
    =
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows=
-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Nonsense.&nbsp; =
Region coding,=20
encryption&nbsp;(e.g. CSS), expiring content (e.g. DivX)&nbsp;are = examples
that=20
existed without pre-existing support from software vendors.&nbsp; These = and
the=20
other forms of restrictions all exist because the content providers =
require=20
it.&nbsp; Microsoft, Apple, real as well as CE vendors (e.g. Pioneer, =
Creative,=20
Apple) support it only because it is required to even play the = game.&nbsp;=20
Without it you can only sit on the outside and watch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b407ba@w3.nls.net">news:45b407ba@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>My=
 point=20
  is it is the vendors who enable features like content expiration =
<BR>who are=20
  responsible, not the people who requested it, but the people like=20
  <BR>Microsoft who make it real.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b405a9$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b405a9$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The implementation in Windows is a framework with a set of =
capabilities=20
  <BR>necessary to meet the requirements of not just HD-DVD but other =
content as=20
  <BR>well.&nbsp; It is not a hard coded implementation of any specific=20
  requirements. <BR>This is necessary to allow Windows to be&nbsp; a =
platform=20
  for playback of as much <BR>content as possible.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Your=20
  example of expiration is something that doesn't apply to HD-DVD, or =
<BR>at=20
  least I don't think so but I could be wrong.&nbsp; I'm not at all =
familiar=20
  <BR>with what AACS allows.&nbsp; It is something that applies to =
distributable=20
  audio <BR>and video content.&nbsp; If you see it used, you should =
contact the=20
  content <BR>provider and/or licensor to ask why.&nbsp; FWIW, an =
expiration=20
  date has been <BR>supported since version 1.0 or WMDRM released in=20
  1999.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b3c20f$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b3c20f$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  If the content protection in vista goes above and beyond that found on =

  <BR>HDDVD<BR>&nbsp; players then can you really claim it was just to =
support=20
  protections<BR>&nbsp; mandated by the content? For example if vista =
allows=20
  downloading content<BR>&nbsp; that expires after a week, you can't =
possibly be=20
  serious that vista isn't<BR>&nbsp; directly responsible for extending =
the=20
  capabilities of HD-DVD content<BR>&nbsp; protection.<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b2f6e3$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b2f6e3$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The extra CPU is to support the protections mandated by the content.=20
  <BR>The<BR>&nbsp; additional functionality is the ability to render =
that=20
  content at all.&nbsp; If<BR>&nbsp; you don't want to play protected =
content=20
  such as HD-DVD or bluray then you<BR>&nbsp; should care that increased =
CPU is=20
  required to do so.&nbsp; If you do want to <BR>play<BR>&nbsp; such =
content=20
  then you should be pleased that it is possible.<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b2ec71$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b2ec71$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The Vista team is hallucinating equating additional CPU cycles used=20
  for<BR>&nbsp; drm<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with additional functionality =
for=20
  consumers.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; from the =
link<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  =
------------------------------------------------------------<BR>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;=20
  Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU=20
  resource<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; consumption?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Yes.&nbsp; However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable, as =
the=20
  PC<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; provides consumers with additional=20
  functionality.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  =
-------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "John Beamish" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:JLBeamish@rogers.com">JLBeamish@rogers.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:op.tmhkksu1m6tn4t@dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com=
">news:op.tmhkksu1m6tn4t@dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com</A>..=
.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt; In this vein ... there was the story that Vista imposed DRM in =
such=20
  a<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; manner that if (for example) you were =
listening=20
  to a CD that was <BR>subject<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; to DRM and you =
were a=20
  technician viewing (according to this example) a<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;=20
  digital x-ray that the x-ray would be degraded to the same extent=20
  that<BR>&nbsp; DRM<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; required the CD to be=20
  degraded.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; The =
Windows=20
  Vista team replied here:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20=
/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx">http=
://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vis=
ta-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx</A><BR></BLOCKQUO=
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